Please remove Vehicle seat swapping. - Page 19

Buggsy · 2012-07-22, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

This is one of those annoyingly pointless conversations. Seat swapping is in, OK? Deal.

The AH is in Diablo 3, OK? Deal.

The NGE is in SWG, OK? Deal.

Yeah we be dealing.

Blackwolf · 2012-07-22, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Buggsy

The AH is in Diablo 3, OK? Deal.

The NGE is in SWG, OK? Deal.

Yeah we be dealing.

Diablo 3 was boring crap anyway. And so was SWG. Terrible choices there bub.

Seat swapping adds another element to the game. Instead of taking out a defenseless gunnerless tank, you now have to worry about it whether or not it has 2 people in it. And that's the real problem isn't it? No more free kills because now things make sense and desperate soldiers can quickly shift from drivers seat to gunner's position and shoot back.

Personally I like the system now. I didn't at first, but then I remembered how effing annoying it was when a gunner bailed from a Galaxy and we now had 1 less gunner available to defend ourselves unless we freaking parked a 300 ton bird and someone got out and got back in because somehow the stupid thing had a modular design.

And it is epic hilarious how you suggest that this one minor game mechanic will kill the entire game. A F2P game. ZOMG doom death fly zapper from hell! Where's that rolleyes emote? Oh yeah here it is

Ranik Ortega · 2012-07-22, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

Useless crap

As people have suggested REPEATEDLY. Seat swapping is ok with a delay. Feel free to ignore most of the thread though.

Blackwolf · 2012-07-22, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ranik Ortega

more crap

I've seen more arguments about this then you have years. The thread is about removing it, whether a delay is added or not is something that could be brought up in beta but not something that should be randomly discussed now with zero physical data to back up either side.

This entire conversation is pointless. No conclusion will ever be found. And no one is going to change anyone else's mind with objective truth here.

Use your brains and think about what you say before you go judging someone else's point.

Ranik Ortega · 2012-07-22, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

Yet more useless crap

Read the thread before making blanket statements about how everyone wants it removed rather than toned down to an acceptable level. Physical data is one thing but some shit is bad enough to smell before it even comes out.

GhettoPrince · 2012-07-22, 08:53 PM

Yep...19 pages of people screaming about whether dudes should be able to walk around inside tanks.

The answer is yes.

I hope they start beta soon. This forum has gone pants on head retarded since the tech test began.

Ranik Ortega · 2012-07-22, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by GhettoPrince

Yep...19 pages of people screaming about whether dudes should be able to walk around inside tanks.

The answer is yes.

I hope they start beta soon. This forum has gone pants on head retarded since the tech test began.

The question people are really asking is why is it instant? If it had a small delay this conversation wouldn't be happening. Neat picture by the way.

HeatLegend · 2012-07-22, 10:25 PM

/Signed

With an exception of making it take at least five seconds. The same goes for entering/exiting vehicles.

Flaropri · 2012-07-23, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by HeatLegend

With an exception of making it take at least five seconds.

I really think people don't quite realize how long a second is in an FPS.

Even 3 seconds is pushing it, let alone the 5-12 I've seen people suggest.

I mean, my position is that it should be as long a delay as it takes infantry to switch weapons, but ultimately I'm willing to negotiate a bit; but 5 seconds?

Maybe if the TTK was really long but... so far that isn't the case.

As long as hotswapping is in the game, it should at least be VIABLE (but not optimal).

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-07-23, 12:17 AM

Read the entire thread? Are you out of your mind, Ranik?

Seat swapping is fine, as long as it takes a couple seconds. Note: Unbuckle, switch seats, and buckle back up, in just a couple seconds. 3-5 seconds is all that's required.

Huntsab · 2012-07-23, 12:19 AM

Hot swapping seats is a terrible idea. 2000 players per map. There will be no shortage of gunners. The team element is being ignored here. Play any public Battlefield server (even BF1942) and you will often see drivers just peeing off with a tank, for example, leaving the team behind. There is no better way of ensuring team play than to force the driver and gunner to work together. If you wann run solo in a tank there is already a solution...The Lighting. See solved everyone happy.

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-07-23, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Huntsab

Hot swapping seats is a terrible idea. 2000 players per map. There will be no shortage of gunners. The team element is being ignored here. Play any public Battlefield server (even BF1942) and you will often see drivers just peeing off with a tank, for example, leaving the team behind. There is no better way of ensuring team play than to force the driver and gunner to work together. If you wann run solo in a tank there is already a solution...The Lighting. See solved everyone happy.

It's not being ignored... Seat swapping has nothing to do with this. It's not a game breaking issue that undermines team play. It's a practicality thing. I can switch seats in my car. See? I just proved the idiocy of this argument in a nutshell. Instantaneous seat swapping is a bad idea, because I cannot TELEPORT to another seat in my car. But just saying NO because.... of whatever. That's equally silly.

Blackwolf · 2012-07-23, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ranik Ortega

I like to edit people's quotes because I think it makes me look funny or hysterical or hysterically funny or some shii. Meanwhile all I'm really doing is demonstrating serious attention span issues and total disregard for other people's opinions.

I'm sure people without lives would love to read the whole thread. But I tend to read the subject, and the first page or two. Then I post my comment.

The subject is "Please remove vehicle seat swapping" and the first 2 pages are a bitch fest.

My response? Wait for beta. This problem is no worse then the drop pod problem as far as "on paper" goes. In fact, I don't see how anyone can honestly claim to see a major issue that has to be fixed at this immediate point in time without any sort of data on it.

A delay would do diddedly squat, it wouldn't solve a non-existent problem because solving non-existent problems is impossible. What do you think a 5 second delay would actually do? Except make the seat swapping concept entirely pointless that is. Which, I bet, is your goal in the first place isn't it? Tank has no gunner, he has to spend 5 seconds jumping into the gunner seat of his tank in order to fend off the AV aircraft flying over his head shooting rockets at his ass. 5 seconds and that tank is dead dude, never mind the time it takes to reorient yourself once you swap to the gunner seat and acquire your target.

This is why I hate compromises. Person A always has some "brilliant" suggestion that would solve all problems! But never takes the time to really think about it. DEVs are the ones that have to think about it, and they do their thinking based on hard data, not some couch developer who hasn't even played the damn game yet.

And hell, I wouldn't care one way or another if they added a delay, makes my intended job that much easier. Frankly though, I see no reason for it. No point or excuse or tears shed because of it. And chances are if I was the tank, I'd shoot you with the main gun rather then bother with a 3-5 second delay to switch to the AA gun.

Littleman · 2012-07-23, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Huntsab

Hot swapping seats is a terrible idea. 2000 players per map. There will be no shortage of gunners. The team element is being ignored here. Play any public Battlefield server (even BF1942) and you will often see drivers just peeing off with a tank, for example, leaving the team behind. There is no better way of ensuring team play than to force the driver and gunner to work together. If you wann run solo in a tank there is already a solution...The Lighting. See solved everyone happy.

Yeah... that doesn't guarantee teamwork, that's forcing a driver to potentially haul around a 20/4000 vision kill whore (I'm saying the guy may not hit $#!%.)

Teamwork happens outside of the tank even more so than it happens within the tank. A lone tank, no matter how many people are working it, is just a big target waiting to get trashed.

Originally Posted by vVRedOctoberVv

Read the entire thread? Are you out of your mind, Ranik?

Seat swapping is fine, as long as it takes a couple seconds. Note: Unbuckle, switch seats, and buckle back up, in just a couple seconds. 3-5 seconds is all that's required.

The year is 2800-something and we still haven't connected weapons systems to the same console, making access to them as easy as flipping a switch?

I know, I know... it's a balance thing to have a timer in.

Something of a punishment for going in half-manned.

Zulthus · 2012-07-23, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

A delay would do diddedly squat, it wouldn't solve a non-existent problem because solving non-existent problems is impossible. What do you think a 5 second delay would actually do? Except make the seat swapping concept entirely pointless that is. Which, I bet, is your goal in the first place isn't it? Tank has no gunner, he has to spend 5 seconds jumping into the gunner seat of his tank in order to fend off the AV aircraft flying over his head shooting rockets at his ass. 5 seconds and that tank is dead dude, never mind the time it takes to reorient yourself once you swap to the gunner seat and acquire your target.

That's exactly what we all want... you should be fucked if you didn't take a gunner. You shouldn't just be able to alternate between AV and AA taking out threats as they come along. If there wasn't a delay, why would you ever want to have a gunner?