Chassis mounted main guns - Page 2

Captain1nsaneo · 2011-09-19, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Brusi

Check out the little health picture in the top right. It seems that there is only 1 slot for a person as the little mark in the middle near the top seems ornamental. My guess is that this is actually NOT the magrider. Unless it is but now it's a one man vehicle which would make me VERY sad though that would line up with Mr.Higby's comment on it being hard for the driver to man the secondary weapon.

2coolforu · 2011-09-19, 07:34 AM

There's two slots, I did an analysis of the trailer. If you zoom in on the top right you can see the pilots name "Shuttledem" and a slot 2 "Empty". If you look at the vehicle Icon you can see a small number '1' in the top slot of the icon and the other slot is empty and seems to be placed in the turret

FIREk · 2011-09-19, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Captain1nsaneo

Check out the little health picture in the top right. It seems that there is only 1 slot for a person as the little mark in the middle near the top seems ornamental. My guess is that this is actually NOT the magrider. Unless it is but now it's a one man vehicle which would make me VERY sad though that would line up with Mr.Higby's comment on it being hard for the driver to man the secondary weapon.

Look closer. There's a list of seats below the health image thingie. One of the seats is unoccupied.

EDIT: just how did I miss 2coolforu's reply? :O

Draep · 2011-09-19, 09:08 AM

Might be better to have the driver operate the coaxial machinegun while the gunner operates the main cannon. As we have all discussed in two other threads, the community hates the idea of a combo driver/main gunner

FastAndFree · 2011-09-19, 09:39 AM

edit 5 eh forget it I have no idea what I was actually trying to say

Traak · 2011-09-19, 12:27 PM

Could be the new Thresher. And perhaps the turret doesn't show up until there IS a person to gun it.

Atuday · 2011-09-19, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Traak

Could be the new Thresher. And perhaps the turret doesn't show up until there IS a person to gun it.

This would lead to transforming tanks. You do realize how silly that sounds right?

Traak · 2011-09-19, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Atuday

This would lead to transforming tanks. You do realize how silly that sounds right?

It's Vanu. Aren't they all organic and whatever?

FastAndFree · 2011-09-19, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Traak

It's Vanu. Aren't they all organic and whatever?

They saved time/resources on enter animations so I doubt they would make morrigi-style pop-up weapon mounts. Especially for only one of the 3 empires

Talek Krell · 2011-09-19, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

You know, after seeing it on picture, we were pretty sure about the new Reaver being a 2-seater too, and yet apparently it isn't...

If I understand correctly the reaver was 2 seat at the time they released the render, but then they chose to revert it to a 1 seat design as in PS1.

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

Also the new Vanguard quite clearly has a turret. It sounds very unlikely to me that they would give one empire's MBT a rotating turret and a fixed cannon to another's. Hover or not

Empire uniqueness. I think the devs are just trying to create variation between the empires, and they think that this can work because the Mag hovers. Obviously I disagree.

Originally Posted by Draep

Might be better to have the driver operate the coaxial machinegun while the gunner operates the main cannon. As we have all discussed in two other threads, the community hates the idea of a combo driver/main gunner

Operate the coax? The coaxial is parallel with the main gun by definition (right?) so I can't see that working. I'm all for vehicle crew teamwork but having one guy aim a gun for the other to shoot is a bit much.

Draep · 2011-09-19, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Talek Krell

Operate the coax? The coaxial is parallel with the main gun by definition (right?) so I can't see that working. I'm all for vehicle crew teamwork but having one guy aim a gun for the other to shoot is a bit much.

Hmm, I don't think it is. I always remembered coaxial machinegun on tanks being mounted on the front, near the driver and below the turret. It's lower to the ground than the turret to make for easier infantry killing. Having one guy aim for the other to shoot? I don't see what you're talking about.

Talek Krell · 2011-09-19, 07:50 PM

Ah, no. That's a hull gun. The coax should be mounted in the turret along the main cannon. Generally used when an HE shell is a bit overkill I think.

Fuggit, I'm gonna wiki this nonsense.

Edit: Gentlemen! BEHOLD!

Originally Posted by Wiki

Coaxial
A coaxial mount is mounted beside the primary weapon and thus points in the same general direction as the main armament, relying in the turret's ability to traverse in order to change arc. The term coaxial is a misnomer as the arrangement is actually paraxial (i.e., parallel axes, as opposed to the same axis).

Nearly all main battle tanks and most infantry fighting vehicles have a coaxial machine gun mounted to fire along a parallel axis to the main gun. Coaxial weapons are usually aimed by use of the main gun control. It is usually used to engage infantry or other "soft" targets when the main gun collateral damage would be excessive, or to conserve main gun ammunition.

Draep · 2011-09-19, 07:54 PM

Ah yep, you're right. Well lets talk about the hull gun then. I wouldn't mind that!

Brusi · 2011-09-19, 07:56 PM

@Draep: This is what higby was talking about when he said that he would think about the driver controlling the secondary customisable weapon and the gunner firing the main weapon. That he didn't know how that could work for the Magrider.

I am also under them impression that the look of these tanks will have to change slightly, due to the ability add custom secondary weapons.

The mag in these pics might just be the vanilla version. Stick a mortar on top of that, or a flack cannon... and you have yourself a 2-man mag.

Someone also mentioned that even though the reaver is confirmed a 1-seater, that they are still considering a 2-seater Reaver variant as an uprgade? Is this just speculation?

FIREk · 2011-09-19, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Draep

Hmm, I don't think it is. I always remembered coaxial machinegun on tanks being mounted on the front, near the driver and below the turret. It's lower to the ground than the turret to make for easier infantry killing. Having one guy aim for the other to shoot? I don't see what you're talking about.

The coaxial machinegun is fixed - mounted side-by-side with the main cannon.
Therefore, if one person were to operate the main gun, and another person were to operate the coaxial machinegun, then the only thing the second person would be able to do is press the trigger. Because the coax is fixed.

The type of machinegun you're thinking about could probably be called hull-mounted, and hasn't been used since WW2. It was typically used by a tank's radio-operator.

Originally Posted by Brusi

Someone also mentioned that even though the reaver is confirmed a 1-seater, that they are still considering a 2-seater Reaver variant as an uprgade? Is this just speculation?

Speculation on my part. There was something about the way Higby responded, during NapalmEnima's dinner interview, that made me think. I would have to re-listen the interview, but I think he said that the Reaver is a one-seater, Napalm mentioned the screenshot, and then Higby sad something like "yes, that Reaver was a two-seater". All speculation, though.

Apaches/Havocs in BFBC2 are two-seaters and the co-pilot controls wire-guided missiles and a 30mm turret. Maybe the one-seat Reaver will only have dumb-fire rockets?