Be Constructive when referencing PlanetSide 1 - Page 2

Hamma · 2013-02-26, 11:21 AM

Review what Chip said, that's exactly what I mean.

CrazEpharmacist · 2013-02-26, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

What are the now sanctioned references we can bring up then?

And I gave up on Enter exit animations a long time ago.

Well like ChipMhazard said, just make sure you have a good case as to why it should be implemented in PS2.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-26, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by CrazEpharmacist

Well like ChimpMhazard said, just make sure you have a good case as to why it should be implemented in PS2.

Every counter is "Planetside 1 is dead".

No dice there.

Hamma · 2013-02-26, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

Every counter is "Planetside 1 is dead".

No dice there.

False.

just make sure you have a good case as to why it should be implemented in PS2

If you have a good case, nobody can argue that its a dead feature.

Sturmhardt · 2013-02-26, 11:24 AM

That doesn't make sense. If there is a problem or a feature that was approached in a better way 10 years ago I want to say so and I want other people to say so.

For example the voice macros. They were awesome in ps1 and they are shit in ps2, I want people to discuss stuff like that so the devs can read it and hopefully implement it to make ps2 a better game. I don't see anything wrong with that.

.sent via phone.

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-26, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by CrazEpharmacist

Well like ChimpMhazard said, just make sure you have a good case as to why it should be implemented in PS2.

I say, indeed old bean!

Rahabib · 2013-02-26, 11:25 AM

Well I will come out and support Hamma.... to a point

First of all, when people just say "do it like PS1, it worked." I think the developers are well aware of what was done in PS1 and what worked. I think the devs want to make PS2 a unique gaming experience in its own right, and not just PS1 with better graphics. If you are holding on to that hope, then you are wasting your time. The devs have put a lot of time and resources in to how the game is now, they are not going to scrap large aspects of the game like re-introducing a lattice system, etc.

On a slightly related topic, I think most suggestions on this and especially on the official PS2 forums are either not practical or helpful to the discussion in anyway. Far too often people complain about something then offer up a solution that basically reads to a developer like 'This game sucks, go back and start over.' Do you honestly think a developer is going to take that seriously? Of course not. Simple solutions will gain far more traction than long, involved and drastic changes.

Now, where I disagree with Hamma is that I think that ideas are important no matter what the source. If something worked in PS1, then they should post it. If its a simple solution that PS1 addressed, then its a good one. If its a whine thread about why PS2 is not like PS1 or asks for too large of change, then it likely will not be taken seriously.

I know PS1 has a special place in a lot of your hearts. I never played it. I dont really care about it. What I do want is for PS2 to get better. If its a PS1 or COD suggestion I dont care, as long as it makes the game better. However, I have seen far too many posts that I know will never see the light of day that push off some really good discussions off the front page. The official PS2 forums are far worse. I gave up on that since everyone just complains with no real substance.

I think that Hamma, has a point, we should not just look at trying to make PS2 into PS1, but rather a unique game that more than just the hardcore PS1 gamers will like. And I think Hamma, may have been a bit strong in saying that bringing up PS1 hurts the community. It only hurts the community when people aren't being reasonable in their expectations.

Hamma · 2013-02-26, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

That doesn't make sense. If there is a problem or a feature that was approached in a better way 10 years ago I want to say so and I want other people to say so.

For example the voice macros. They were awesome in ps1 and they are shit in ps2, I want people to discuss stuff like that so the devs can read it and hopefully implement it to make ps2 a better game. I don't see anything wrong with that.

.sent via phone.

Read the previous posts.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-26, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Rahabib

I think the devs want to make PS2 a unique gaming experience in its own right, and not just PS1 with better graphics.

This is the response to everything when someone mentions the things that worked in PS1, even when adopted by the presenter for PS2.

Amazingly, people still compare Battlefield 1 with 3. I wonder why.

Jennyboo · 2013-02-26, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

This isn't about forgetting about Planetside 1, it's about keeping topics that have to do with Planetside 1 in the Planetside 1 forum. When the devs come along and look at the Planetside 2 forum they probably don't want to be discussing Planetside 1.
This also isn't about not taking anything from Planetside 1 because it's an old game but that just because something was in Planetside 1 it shouldn't automatically be in Planetside 2. If a feature worked in Planetside 1 then make a case as to why it should be included in Planetside 2, stating that it worked in Planetside 1 isn't an argument in on itself (in many cases anyway).
This of course doesn't mean that one shouldn't ever bring up Planetside 1 in a discussion about Planetside 2 as it can be entirely relevant to do so, but bringing up "when is Planetside 1 going free to play?" isn't relevant to a thread about cheating in Planetside 2.

I do not understand why people have a tendency to exaggerate when they read something like this thread.

^ ya what he said.

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-26, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

Every counter is "Planetside 1 is dead".

No dice there.

This is the exaggeration that I mentioned. I haven't seen this counter argument been used for a very long time. If someone does use it then you can simply state that, that is a fallacy.
What I have seen on numerous occasions are people who are perfectly able to make take an objective position when it comes to whether or not something from PS1 could work in PS2.

Canaris · 2013-02-26, 11:28 AM

that's not true Blood and you know it, I've brought up several items that were in PS1 and how they could benefit PS2 and the Dev's have been very supportive of. A well layed out topic as to why it should be there will be listened too, I think Hamma's just sick of some people doing nothing here but screaming "PS2 fail & PS1 king" arguements that go no where.

If you think something would be a boon to the game just lay it out in a respectful way rather than rant, ranting just puts people on the defensive.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-26, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

False.

If you have a good case, nobody can argue that its a dead feature.

Do you read your own site? You yourself have done this.

Originally Posted by Canaris

"PS2 fail & PS1 king" arguements that go no where.

If you think something would be a boon to the game just lay it out in a respectful way rather than rant, ranting just puts peope on the defensive.

With this I agree. But that's the Official forums, happens less here. I AM guilty of this myself though. Sometimes, "Different for the sake of Different" is stupid. Just like "Same for the sake of Same is".

Rahabib · 2013-02-26, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

This is the response to everything when someone mentions the things that worked in PS1, even when adopted by the presenter for PS2.

Amazingly, people still compare Battlefield 1 with 3. I wonder why.

I think the idea is to be reasonable. Lattice will never happen.

Hamma · 2013-02-26, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rahabib

On a slightly related topic, I think most suggestions on this and especially on the official PS2 forums are either not practical or helpful to the discussion in anyway. Far too often people complain about something then offer up a solution that basically reads to a developer like 'This game sucks, go back and start over.' Do you honestly think a developer is going to take that seriously? Of course not. Simple solutions will gain far more traction than long, involved and drastic changes.

Excellent point.

Originally Posted by Rahabib

Now, where I disagree with Hamma is that I think that ideas are important no matter what the source. If something worked in PS1, then they should post it. If its a simple solution that PS1 addressed, then its a good one. If its a whine thread about why PS2 is not like PS1 or asks for too large of change, then it likely will not be taken seriously.

I agree, with a solid reasoned case about why it should be implemented rather than just "IN PS1 This happened"

Originally Posted by Rahabib

I know PS1 has a special place in a lot of your hearts. I never played it. I dont really care about it. What I do want is for PS2 to get better. If its a PS1 or COD suggestion I dont care, as long as it makes the game better. However, I have seen far too many posts that I know will never see the light of day that push off some really good discussions off the front page. The official PS2 forums are far worse. I gave up on that since everyone just complains with no real substance.

Good to have some feedback from someone who didn't play PS1 thanks for posting here.