Adenn's easy to understand TR LMG Analysis

[War Barney]

I would like to point out one thing, don't lie and say good players say the SAW is good, I know how to control recoil and its awful, my outfit members know how to control recoil and its AWFUL. You know why? cos its damage isn't that good compared to its rpm, I crunched the numbers and it has about 1550 dps which is about 150 less than the other starter lmgs.

You combine that with its horrible recoil and its a very bad gun as you can't shoot for long burst as you will end up hitting passing satellites instead, as such the rpm is for all intensive purposes about half what it actually says. I don't really know any NC players who use the SAW, its ok for sniping but anything else its pretty much the em1-6 or the GD 22s, the SAW is worthless.

I know this is slightly derailing the thread but I hate to see people lie about the worst gun in the game trying to make out like its good. If you want to know about bad LMGs play the NC, we have the worst, they have bad recoil and low damage, pretty much every TR and VS lmg will beat a NC lmg in close-medium range combat, at long-extreme range the NC lmg is ok but thats infiltrator territory not heavy.

[EvilNinjadude]

Originally Posted by War Barney

I know this is slightly derailing the thread but I hate to see people lie about the worst gun in the game trying to make out like its good. If you want to know about bad LMGs play the NC, we have the worst, they have bad recoil and low damage, pretty much every TR and VS lmg will beat a NC lmg in close-medium range combat, at long-extreme range the NC lmg is ok but thats infiltrator territory not heavy.

>NC6 SAW
>Bad

Well, I must be getting tons of server lag then, judging by how often I've died to them in a straight-up LMG fight.

As someone on the forum pointed out ages ago, you gotta consider the recoil bloom per second, which your RoF factors into.

Nevertheless I'll accept that the GD-22s is the better gun.

[War Barney]

Originally Posted by EvilNinjadude

>NC6 SAW
>Bad

Well, I must be getting tons of server lag then, judging by how often I've died to them in a straight-up LMG fight.

As someone on the forum pointed out ages ago, you gotta consider the recoil bloom per second, which your RoF factors into.

Nevertheless I'll accept that the GD-22s is the better gun.

You must, the SAW is just awful up close as it has a very low dps and a super high recoil which prevents you from sustaining fire. Trust me the SAW is a gun people use for a while thinking *oh ye this is ok* then they start to learn how to play and realise they are still dying a lot despite being better, they then change gun and say *omg why have I been wasting my time and certs on that pile of crap*

[CraazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by EvilNinjadude

>NC6 SAW
>Bad

Well, I must be getting tons of server lag then, judging by how often I've died to them in a straight-up LMG fight.

As someone on the forum pointed out ages ago, you gotta consider the recoil bloom per second, which your RoF factors into.

Nevertheless I'll accept that the GD-22s is the better gun.

As a VS going LMG vs LMG using Orion or even the NS 15M - against NC the SAW is my bane - TR its very close Rhino and then the TMG.

I don't see the GD-22s very often. IMO it's under utilized. When playing my NC, I usually run with it over the SAW.

[EvilNinjadude]

Originally Posted by CraazyCanuck

As a VS going LMG vs LMG using Orion or even the NS 15M - against NC the SAW is my bane - TR its very close Rhino and then the TMG.

I don't see the GD-22s very often. IMO it's under utilized. When playing my NC, I usually run with it over the SAW.

Well, the VS standard LMG is a pretty big effing deal.

I was standing on top of the building on Haven Outpost. A VS heavy comes out of the spawn. But that's okay, I have my T5 AMC fully certed into for longrange battles, I should be good. I start landing shots on him. He stands on the bridge, uncertain. Then he turns around and wrecks my ass in one second flat. No attachments, no nothing. He probably didn't even Burstfire. What the hell is up with that.

[CraazyCanuck]

I hear yah. I've had a buttload of those moments. A few last night. The worst, I was firing into a NC HA back with my NS-15M, full certed, with soft point Ammo at maybe 3m. Unloaded a full clip in him on my end. I had shields up and waited for the kill notfiication to pop as I started reloading. Nope. He turns around with his Saw and kills me with 2 shots.

I just chalk it up to netcode and my connection. Nothing else to do but shrug it off and move on but its frustrating none the less.

[Adenn]

Originally Posted by War Barney

I would like to point out one thing, don't lie and say good players say the SAW is good, I know how to control recoil and its awful, my outfit members know how to control recoil and its AWFUL. You know why? cos its damage isn't that good compared to its rpm, I crunched the numbers and it has about 1550 dps which is about 150 less than the other starter lmgs.

You combine that with its horrible recoil and its a very bad gun as you can't shoot for long burst as you will end up hitting passing satellites instead, as such the rpm is for all intensive purposes about half what it actually says. I don't really know any NC players who use the SAW, its ok for sniping but anything else its pretty much the em1-6 or the GD 22s, the SAW is worthless.

I know this is slightly derailing the thread but I hate to see people lie about the worst gun in the game trying to make out like its good. If you want to know about bad LMGs play the NC, we have the worst, they have bad recoil and low damage, pretty much every TR and VS lmg will beat a NC lmg in close-medium range combat, at long-extreme range the NC lmg is ok but thats infiltrator territory not heavy.

At first I took what you said seriously...but then towards the end you exaggerated.

For one you say that I "lied". How did I lie? It is a fact that most good players love the Gauss, stats aside. Sniping is an exaggeration as well since that Mid range it is very good as well.

I don't like stats because people think it is the only thing that matters and that aside the easy to control recoil neglects the fact that it has a high vertical recoil. I quite frankly believe that you simply aren't as good as you consider yourself to be (BR 40 only).

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong my specialty are TR Lmgs not NC. But generally everyone knows that the Gauss Saw is one of the best LMGs in the game.

[KesTro]

Originally Posted by Adenn

At first I took what you said seriously...but then towards the end you exaggerated.

For one you say that I "lied". How did I lie? It is a fact that most good players love the Gauss, stats aside. Sniping is an exaggeration as well since that Mid range it is very good as well.

I don't like stats because people think it is the only thing that matters and that aside the easy to control recoil neglects the fact that it has a high vertical recoil. I quite frankly believe that you simply aren't as good as you consider yourself to be (BR 40 only).

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong my specialty are TR Lmgs not NC. But generally everyone knows that the Gauss Saw is one of the best LMGs in the game.

You're solid bro. The NC Gauss Saw is definitely a solid weapon in the NC playbook. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. I have to say it's a first seeing someone bitching about it not being OP, pretty refreshing honestly. It has it's places, it's more or less an automatic sniper rifle.

And yes, stats don't mean very much. Give the worst player the best gun and it won't help them very much.

[War Barney]

Originally Posted by KesTro

You're solid bro. The NC Gauss Saw is definitely a solid weapon in the NC playbook. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. I have to say it's a first seeing someone bitching about it not being OP, pretty refreshing honestly. It has it's places, it's more or less an automatic sniper rifle.

And yes, stats don't mean very much. Give the worst player the best gun and it won't help them very much.

Uhu... so it having a high recoil and low dps doesn't mean much? You should try using the SAW for a while and see how good it is, I got about halfway to the auraxium and then tried other guns.. I've never looked back.

At the longer ranges the SAW can work but its a weird gun cos the recoil is so high you can hold down the button at close range meaning you end up with a even lower rpm and as such general dps while your opponent will often be able to hold the button and spray you to death. At long ranges the recoil is so high you literally have to shoot 1 bullet so you may as well use a sniper and do real damage with that 1 shot.

The only way I can see the SAW being good is if you can get head shots with every bullet, but honestly if you could do that you'd most likely be using a shotgun for 1 hit kills instead and snipers for longer range for the 1 hit kill.

Basically the SAW is a good thats average so other guns just do the job better. Do people really call it OP? I honestly would love to hear how the hell this gun is OP, as has been said CQC is where the fighting takes place most of the time and the SAW is purely a long range gun, up close any of the other LMGs NC has is better.

I'm honestly starting to think TR and VS have decided they are going to whine and complain till the NC has nothing useful left. And they are getting close, NC MAX is useless, NC has some of the worst LMGs, they are trying to get the vanguard nerfed as it can actually kill a prowler or mag sometimes and my god that shouldn't happen! VS and TR players should have a 90% chance to beat NC it shouldn't rely on something as trivial as skill!

[EvilNinjadude]

Originally Posted by War Barney

VS and TR players should have a 90% chance to beat NC it shouldn't rely on something as trivial as skill!

Never mind that the TR actually have to land two shots for every one you take, which definitely isn't easy while moving... as well as having a special ability that makes it immobile (read: Dead) to allow it to fire those two shots faster. As compared to the Vanguard, which can OHK ESFs, can take more damage, and has Invulnerability as its special ability. I'd rather take the Vanguard any day, thanks.

I think it's pretty balanced right now in a Tank Zerg fight, as Prowlers also get the Vulcan, and when they die, everyone just goes Striker/Annihilator (any player worth their salt will have one lock-on rocket launcher at the very least).

[KesTro]

Originally Posted by War Barney

Uhu... so it having a high recoil and low dps doesn't mean much? You should try using the SAW for a while and see how good it is, I got about halfway to the auraxium and then tried other guns.. I've never looked back.

At the longer ranges the SAW can work but its a weird gun cos the recoil is so high you can hold down the button at close range meaning you end up with a even lower rpm and as such general dps while your opponent will often be able to hold the button and spray you to death. At long ranges the recoil is so high you literally have to shoot 1 bullet so you may as well use a sniper and do real damage with that 1 shot.

The only way I can see the SAW being good is if you can get head shots with every bullet, but honestly if you could do that you'd most likely be using a shotgun for 1 hit kills instead and snipers for longer range for the 1 hit kill.

Basically the SAW is a good thats average so other guns just do the job better. Do people really call it OP? I honestly would love to hear how the hell this gun is OP, as has been said CQC is where the fighting takes place most of the time and the SAW is purely a long range gun, up close any of the other LMGs NC has is better.

I'm honestly starting to think TR and VS have decided they are going to whine and complain till the NC has nothing useful left. And they are getting close, NC MAX is useless, NC has some of the worst LMGs, they are trying to get the vanguard nerfed as it can actually kill a prowler or mag sometimes and my god that shouldn't happen! VS and TR players should have a 90% chance to beat NC it shouldn't rely on something as trivial as skill!

I still can't believe how anyone thinks the SAW is bad. Is it the gun to be all and end all? No, but it definitely has it place and to say otherwise is 'madness'! Med-Long I can stand up to if not beat other players with the SAW. Even in CQC it's not a bad gun although it noticabley begins to underperform compared to others. So long as you get the jump on someone chances are you'll win with your 5 shot TTK.

Now I understand you hatred towards the vanu and TR, they are rather skilled in the ways of Forumside. However it's not like we don't have our niche in game, play to your strengths. Problem solved. There will come a day when the NC spotlight shall return. Likely after the flamethrowers make their sales hah.

[Mastachief]

Originally Posted by Adenn

At first I took what you said seriously...but then towards the end you exaggerated.

Usual passive aggressive nature that you always exhibit

For one you say that I "lied". How did I lie? It is a fact that most good players love the Gauss, stats aside. Sniping is an exaggeration as well since that Mid range it is very good as well.

Where is the data to back up this fact? it is merely your deluded mutterings

I don't like stats because people think it is the only thing that matters and that aside the easy to control recoil neglects the fact that it has a high vertical recoil. I quite frankly believe that you simply aren't as good as you consider yourself to be (BR 40 only).

Because battle rank = skill right? LOLOLOL, you don't like stats because they confuse you. I'll leave the balancing on the rifles up to SOE they actually have the data needed.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong my specialty are TR Lmgs not NC. But generally everyone knows that the Gauss Saw is one of the best LMGs in the game.

More baseless conjecture

The SAW Carv and orion are pretty much balanced, if you want to poke the nest on rifle (infact any balance... vulcan, fracture, striker, lock down burster) balance you should look closer to home.

[Adenn]

Originally Posted by Mastachief

The SAW Carv and orion are pretty much balanced, if you want to poke the nest on rifle (infact any balance... vulcan, fracture, striker, lock down burster) balance you should look closer to home.

As always a well thought out non biased post by you Chief

Not even going to bother anymore with you.

[Dougnifico]

I mostly play heavy assault and I personally think the TMG-50 is overrated. Its ok, but its not all that. I would take the Carv or the T-16 over it any day. I do agree that the T-16 needs a compensator and a x2 Reflex. This would give it some more long range utility. Also is it just me or does the T-16 seem to be under used?

[Dougnifico]

Haha. All this bitching about the NC guns. As a TR player, I would molest a beehive for a Gauss SAW. lol