removing fog from the maps. - Page 2

ThGlump · 2012-10-07, 11:14 AM

Whats the point for developers to create any weather effect, if you intent to remove it. Once this fog will be replaced by blizzards, rain etc, will you remove it too to have better visibility?
Everyone want weather effects, but bitch when they see one. This fog is probably in, that you get used to limited visibility, that will be there during bad weather. If we had clear air from start, everyone would complain that weather decrease visibility. With fog youll get used to it, and will be happy with new visuals that replace general fog.

Tatwi · 2012-10-07, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

Can we please stop this "omg this is an advantage, you are cheating!" stuff? This is beta and if the community doesn't want the fog and it looks shitty, it should be removed. For everybody. When the game is released and all features are in I will be on your side and stuff like this will be considered cheating, but until then let's keep this focused on feedback, okay?

Do you like the fog or not? Do you want it to stay or should it go? What looks better?

I think it makes the game look like a much older game and "like shit" in general. The "fog" is not an effect, like the sand storms on Indar. The sand storms are an actual environmental effect that is varied and tangible. The "fog" is simply a gamey limitation to reduce the amount of stuff the client renders.

Also, fog does not happen in the arctic, because the arctic is a desert. Also also, real fog looks better. Also also also, if you think the fog looks like a blizzard you have never been in a real blizzard; I have, being Canadian, actually experienced a variety of types of snow storms and none of them looked like Indar, but a lot of them were beautiful. On my 18th birthday I had to walk home 12Km through a blizzard where the snow flakes were the size of a hand, but also light and fluffy. It was fantastic and made a roaring "hush" sound so loud that I was nearly hit by a snow plow for not hearing it come up behind me (you haven't lived until you've been covered in 4 feet of snow by a road plow). Even after the plow went by, the roads weren't safe to drive on, due to the white out and icy conditions. Anyhow, Esimir has none of this and its "fog" simply looks like so much gamey garbage (because that's exactly what it is for). Why do that to such an a great looking game whose game engine can support so much more?

Sturmhardt · 2012-10-07, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by ThGlump

Whats the point for developers to create any weather effect, if you intent to remove it. Once this fog will be replaced by blizzards, rain etc, will you remove it too to have better visibility?
Everyone want weather effects, but bitch when they see one.

A weather effect? Hello? This ugly fog is haunting people since the beginning of 3D video games. Turok 1 on the N64 was the first time I can remember where this stupid shit was everywhere - but I accepted it because I knew it had to be and that that shitty console wouldn't be able to run it without fog.

Now I have a machine 9000 times more capable than that old console - blurryness and fog should be history. We should have crisp clear graphics today. This is not a weather effect, it is an annoyance, on Indar and on Esamir. And I rage about it because it is so totally unneccessarily ruining the otherwise decent visuals of the game.

Edit: Oh, one thing: Check out Crysis from 2007: Clear visuals, no blur. Just like reality. So much better. And that was 5 Years ago!

Gonefshn · 2012-10-07, 01:42 PM

I agree people changing the fog and removing it themselves is cheap but honestly I have not been able to enjoy Esamir because I can never see 10 feet in front of myself In a vehicle. I want to see the vast beautiful continent fog isolates you to a small area and makes you lose just how huge the continent and battle is.

Dagron · 2012-10-07, 03:11 PM

Personally i'd rather have it as an actual weather effect than something constant and i truly want/hope they do it properly soon, but i also agree it's a dick move to modify the game's files so you don't see it while others do. You can claim it's because you think it's ugly all you want, you're still cheating (i know, right now it's no big deal since it's beta and all that, i don't disagree with that).

psijaka · 2012-10-07, 03:29 PM

The fog would be fine in small doses, first thing in the morning (as has been suggested). But constant fog is dreary. And I want to see the awesome skyscape!

As for whether altering ini files or whatever to clear the fog is a cheat or not -well if the game were fully released I would definately say YES, but as this is the beta, then NO. Edit - but it is still lame to gain an advantage in this way.

Saintlycow · 2012-10-07, 05:20 PM

First thing I did on esamir was get in a galaxy. The fog made the ride real tense, because you could barely see out the front of the gun.

pretty epic.

But flying is hard. Its really difficult to distiguish ground from sky

Tooterfish · 2012-10-07, 06:44 PM

Fog is also a way to scale draw distance and improve performance. I think it is important that this be noted as well in this debate.

Steambot · 2012-10-07, 07:10 PM

I actually rather like the fog. I haven't noticed anything overly limiting about it. Gives a nice sense of atmosphere, in my opinion.

Figment · 2012-10-07, 07:12 PM

For the record, removing the fog, whether or not in beta, is cheating as you change the client and gain an unfair advantage. This goes beyond exploiting, because you physically change something to get an effect that aids you in combat.

The fog is as far as I can tell a placeholder, sure it's not ideal and sure it'll be tweaked, but till then, how about you actually test what it's like to fight in an environment that's supposed to be extremely desorienting as intended? Your feedback on Esamir includes that. If you don't like it, FINE, by all means complain about it, but don't change it so you encourage others to change it as well to stay on a competitive level.

How the hell are you going to test a competitive game if you're leaving a portion of the playerbase with a handicap and the other runs around shooting them from a distance because they see things clear as day?

Or here's a thought: purchase one of the infra red sights and see how that works in this environment. Test. Don't avoid testing!

DagofWood · 2012-10-07, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

The fog is ugly. It makes the game look 5 years older and the overall visual experience suffers greatly from it. It would be cool if the fog was a weather phenomenon during certain times or part of a blizzard or something - that would be awesome.

According to devs the Planet is supposed to have weather like on Hoth. Maybe fog was a little thick at first but now it doesn't seem as bad.

Still I consider removing it the same as cheating. Did anyone try to use IR scope and I bet you could see through the fog with it.

Hamma · 2012-10-07, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

For the record, removing the fog, whether or not in beta, is cheating as you change the client and gain an unfair advantage. This goes beyond exploiting, because you physically change something to get an effect that aids you in combat.

Agreed. Some folks have posted videos on how to disable it.. shame on them. We will never post content of this sort on PSU or our various services.

WiteBeam · 2012-10-07, 09:41 PM

It wouldn't be "cheating" if they removed it for everyone and only allowed the fog as a random weather phenomenon. Just look at the pictures. The game looks worse than PS1 with the fog.

Hamma · 2012-10-07, 09:46 PM

No it wouldn't be but since it's there it is in fact cheating.

I doubt it will be a permanent solution however they will never remove it outright.

wave · 2012-10-07, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Agreed. Some folks have posted videos on how to disable it.. shame on them. We will never post content of this sort on PSU or our various services.

And yet the information on how to disable it is right in this thread. What are you playing at Hamma.