Improvement: Replacing the Jackhammer (with concept art) - NC Gauss Cannon - Page 2

Zekeen · 2012-06-01, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

I see what your saying but you last statement if I understand it is my point exactly. Who says the JH has to work anything like it did in the first game or have any of the same problems. Maybe they can re-imagine it to be like a hybrid shotgun that has a much smaller spread and longer range than a shotgun as you would imagine if I just said, "it's a shotgun". Or retain the iconic three spinning barrels and make the standard variant more like a slug gun with more traditional short range shotgun rounds as a side-grade.

I'm not saying don't ever add in the Jackhammer, I'm saying a more versatile gun should come first. Match the Lasher and Chaingun, then bring in the Jackhammer (from the way Higby has spoken on guns, they could add in a TON). I'm mostly posting that this should replace the Jackhammer as the main HA weapon. If you have the Jackhammer, a more specialized gun, come along side it, then there is no problem. I wanna see the Jackhammer, but I don't want to be outgunned at longer ranges. If you shrink the spread, your close combat capacity drops, if you put in slugs, it's just like the cannon in that sense. If it's all on a mod, then you lose long or close range and have to fight from only that distance. Basically, leave the Jackhammer alone for the specialists to get and give this Gauss Cannon as a versatile replacement type weapon for HA. It replaces the Jackhammer, but it does not REMOVE the Jackhammer. We just need a more basic HA weapon as our main type.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Zekeen

I'm not saying don't ever add in the Jackhammer, I'm saying a more versatile gun should come first. Match the Lasher and Chaingun, then bring in the Jackhammer (from the way Higby has spoken on guns, they could add in a TON). I'm mostly posting that this should replace the Jackhammer as the main HA weapon. If you have the Jackhammer, a more specialized gun, come along side it, then there is no problem. I wanna see the Jackhammer, but I don't want to be outgunned at longer ranges. If you shrink the spread, your close combat capacity drops, if you put in slugs, it's just like the cannon in that sense. If it's all on a mod, then you lose long or close range and have to fight from only that distance. Basically, leave the Jackhammer alone for the specialists to get and give this Gauss Cannon as a versatile replacement type weapon for HA. It replaces the Jackhammer, but it does not REMOVE the Jackhammer. We just need a more basic HA weapon as our main type.

I'm not really disagreeing with you about the concept of what NC needs to fill the HA weapons role I just think you can use the JH to fill that role easily. Keep the iconic design of the three rotating barrels, keep the name, but who says it even has to be a shotgun in it's main form. Allow it to perform at range with a few simple design tweeks regarding it's ammunition or barrels.

Hosp · 2012-06-01, 03:26 PM

Like the concept but don't like the intent.

While i heavily dislike the shotgun as the main HA weapon it still needs to be kept on par with the other HA weapons...Strong (in NC case stopping power and accuracy over volume) and range Short-medium. A shotgun range is really only short and doesn't have a medium which would severely gimp the NC.

So to agree with gonefishn, Keeping the Jackhammer name and style is still possible by simply changing the round type. Perhaps a higher RoF slug gun. Maybe a flak type gun which would be a cross between the MCG and Lasher of old. Flak as in it'll do small shrapnel damage at the end of its path instead of a lasher orb which would 'lash' out along the path. (which also allows for a secondary function of pure flak mode for outdoors).

It's a stretch, i know, but a shotgun as the HA just won't work.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 04:17 PM

And I should have said earlier despite my opinion that the Jackhammer in name and style should still be the main HA weapon, your designs are really awesome looking I should have complimented you on the sketch earlier.

Kriegson · 2012-06-01, 04:24 PM

I guess the best compromise would be for the weapon to have a sidegrade into slugs?

Zekeen · 2012-06-01, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

And I should have said earlier despite my opinion that the Jackhammer in name and style should still be the main HA weapon, your designs are really awesome looking I should have complimented you on the sketch earlier.

Maybe I should have redesigned the Jackhammer into a Gauss Cannon then. We'd still get the Jackhammer, but it would serve as a different purpose and would be a much bulkier design.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Zekeen

Maybe I should have redesigned the Jackhammer into a Gauss Cannon then. We'd still get the Jackhammer, but it would serve as a different purpose and would be a much bulkier design.

That would be cool, and that's basically the point i've been making. I like your idea for how the gun performs but I think you could base it around the jackhammer.

PlaceboCyanide · 2012-06-01, 05:41 PM

I support this idea. The NC HA definitely needs a medium to long range capability. Even if it is introduced into the game as a weapons mod for the Jackhammer as slug ammunition.

Purple · 2012-06-01, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

I'm not really disagreeing with you about the concept of what NC needs to fill the HA weapons role I just think you can use the JH to fill that role easily. Keep the iconic design of the three rotating barrels, keep the name, but who says it even has to be a shotgun in it's main form. Allow it to perform at range with a few simple design tweeks regarding it's ammunition or barrels.

they confirmed a while ago that the jackhammer will not be in the game.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Purple

they confirmed a while ago that the jackhammer will not be in the game.

Show me this. that's crazy and sad

Zekeen · 2012-06-01, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

Show me this. that's crazy and sad

Higby talked about the Jackhammer a few times in the live stream with Toalbiscuit, so who knows what they'll do.

Also, putting up the redesign right now on the front post of the Jackhammer Gauss Cannon

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Zekeen

Also, putting up the redesign right now on the front post of the Jackhammer Gauss Cannon

I'm actually stoked to see this!

Wow this thread actually had civil discussion which led to all parties coming to a decent conclusion and compromise... HOLY SHIT IS THIS REAL LIFE!?!?!?

Purple · 2012-06-01, 06:54 PM

im sorry it looks like i was wrong!. what i was thinking was they said something along the lines of the sweeper taking the place of the jackhammer but they dident say anything about it not being in game.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Purple

im sorry it looks like i was wrong!. what i was thinking was they said something along the lines of the sweeper taking the place of the jackhammer but they dident say anything about it not being in game.

It's ok!

But you scared me! And I don't even play NC haha

Kriegson · 2012-06-01, 08:33 PM

Oh lawd that new design is sexy.

Higby, we beseech you! Grant us the power of a proper Heavy assault weapon!