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Old 2003-04-26, 01:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Ill buy the first MMORPG/MMOFPS that ID comes out with...
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Old 2003-04-26, 02:59 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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I might buy it

But only if they totally re-think PVP.
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Old 2003-04-26, 04:15 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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Doobz:
wha...?
What?

Originally posted by Robot
But only if they totally re-think PVP.
Want to explain? What's wrong with their extremely vague PvP system?
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Old 2003-04-26, 04:56 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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Originally posted by Warborn
<- Automatically gets in once Beta begins
you get in automatically?
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Old 2003-04-26, 05:08 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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Originally posted by Warborn
Want to explain? What's wrong with their extremely vague PvP system?
Looking at it again, it actually looks pretty cool. I just hope that there'll be more, "battle fields" than PvE areas. (I dunno, I just guess I like Warcraft for the War and not the Peace)
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Old 2003-04-26, 05:52 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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Originally posted by Doobz
you get in automatically?
Yeah. I Beta'd the hell out of The Frozen Throne, so I get into the WoW Beta automatically, in the first round of testers.

Robot:
Looking at it again, it actually looks pretty cool. I just hope that there'll be more, "battle fields" than PvE areas. (I dunno, I just guess I like Warcraft for the War and not the Peace)
There won't be. You don't need tons and tons of battlefields. The fewer battlefields you have, the more focused and intense the combat is. I mean, hell, just look at PS and its lattice system. By limiting the areas where fighting can take place, you promote more large-scale engagements. If they throw in objectives and whatnot as well (note: they haven't unveiled their PvP system yet, so we don't know for sure) it would be extremely cool. Similar to DAoC, but way better.

Either way, WoW is a MMORPG, and MMORPGs demand the developer to satisfy as many people as possible. And many, many people like their PvE, PvP free. So Warcraft or not, it's still a game, and there are still rules that need to be followed.
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Old 2003-04-26, 06:30 PM   [Ignore Me] #22
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aw, man, that sucks

i want in
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Old 2003-04-26, 07:18 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Originally posted by Doobz
aw, man, that sucks

i want in
Are you in The Frozen Throne's Beta?
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Old 2003-04-26, 07:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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no
i wish i were
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Old 2003-04-26, 08:08 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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Originally posted by Doobz
no
i wish i were
That sucks, man. A lot of good testers get screwed out of the Friends List simply because they didn't get picked for Beta.
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Old 2003-04-26, 08:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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Originally posted by Warborn
There won't be. You don't need tons and tons of battlefields. The fewer battlefields you have, the more focused and intense the combat is. I mean, hell, just look at PS and its lattice system. By limiting the areas where fighting can take place, you promote more large-scale engagements. If they throw in objectives and whatnot as well (note: they haven't unveiled their PvP system yet, so we don't know for sure) it would be extremely cool. Similar to DAoC, but way better.

Either way, WoW is a MMORPG, and MMORPGs demand the developer to satisfy as many people as possible. And many, many people like their PvE, PvP free. So Warcraft or not, it's still a game, and there are still rules that need to be followed.
Yeah, you're right, actually
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Old 2003-04-26, 09:50 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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Not a serious problem in other MMORPGs
You never played UO, have you?

Want to explain? What's wrong with their extremely vague PvP system?
The fact that it is RPG based means that their PvP system will suck. There's no way around it. There has NEVER been a PvP system (without incredibly heavy GM moderation) that worked in this style of game. There are a number of game genres where it works great (RTS, FPS, Turn based strategy, etc)...but RPGs are not one of them.
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Old 2003-04-26, 09:58 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Matuse how long have you been playing MMORPG's kid?

I have been around Uo and the such since you were in diapers heck I even played meridian wich is probably way before your time.

Just because it doesnt satisfy your need for twitch fighting does not mean in anyway that it will suck.

and SWG = Carebear land... no pvp except for faction but even in faction there is restrictions and no looting in my book IT'S A POS

Can't wait to see more of WoW.
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Old 2003-04-27, 03:23 AM   [Ignore Me] #29
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A bunch of my old Everquest cronies work at Blizzard, and are working on WoW


the gm of my old guild(legacy of steel) Tigole is going to be one of the top designers i think for the high end content for WoW

that by itself should make it a hella good game
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Old 2003-04-27, 07:20 AM   [Ignore Me] #30
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Matuse how long have you been playing MMORPG's kid?
Since 1992, Old man. Although it would be more accurate to term them ORPGs, because they weren't all that massive back then. The vast majority of the world had not even heard of the internet at that point, and the WWW did not exist.

I have been around Uo and the such since you were in diapers
Odd, since I beta'd UO.

heck I even played meridian wich is probably way before your time.
Send me your address, I'll mail you a walker. You can go around and shake it at people who are younger than you (everyone, I'm guessing), and scream "DAMN YOU WHIPPERSNAPPERS!".

Just because it doesnt satisfy your need for twitch fighting does not mean in anyway that it will suck.
I don't have a need for twitch fighting. Lack of twitch fighting has nothing to do with it. It's quite possible that WoW will be a really fun game (in fact this is quite likely, Blizzard tends to produce excellent products), so long as you restrict yourself to PvE. Drawing conclusions about my statements, feelings, and motivations from no facts and faulty assumptions is the sign of a brain functioning at a very low level.

Kindly read my post again, I didn't say "PvP in RPGs doesn't work for me", I said it DOESN'T WORK. One statement is an opinion, with which you cannot argue. The other is a fact, with which you cannot argue.

The simple truth is, in the decade+ of playing ORPGs, some with PvP, most without; I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a system that worked, without ungodly levels of administrator oversight. The reasons are many. However, I have no interest in debating with you. You saw fit to hurl insults for no reason and based on assumptions that are so far off base that the only possible location you could have drawn them from is your ass, and frankly arguing with you would be too easy, too boring, and not worth the time.

and SWG = Carebear land... no pvp except for faction but even in faction there is restrictions and no looting in my book IT'S A POS
What the hell does SWG have to do with anything? I know it will suck, I have no intention of playing it...PvP or lack thereof is a non-factor. The game is just going to be pure ass.

ps: If the birthdate information in your profile is accurate, I'm 10 years older than you, imbecile.

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