Gameplay: Body Dragging - Page 2

Huma · 2011-07-29, 11:59 PM

There have been innumerable times when being able to drag a squadmate to cover would have kept a gen/cc hold up. Especially since they respawn with no stamina. Dragging would allow a medic to get them under cover so they can fully recover. And after some thought I'd have to agree that if you don't like what someone is doing with your body you could just respawn. I guess it just takes a medic to love this idea though.

NewSith · 2011-07-30, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Huma

There have been innumerable times when being able to drag a squadmate to cover would have kept a gen/cc hold up. Especially since they respawn with no stamina. Dragging would allow a medic to get them under cover so they can fully recover. And after some thought I'd have to agree that if you don't like what someone is doing with your body you could just respawn. I guess it just takes a medic to love this idea though.

Yeah, but is there a point in having indoor-oriented ability in the game where we can possibly have no gens at all, now?

EASyEightyEight · 2011-07-30, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by NewSith

Yeah, but is there a point in having indoor-oriented ability in the game where we can possibly have no gens at all, now?

It's not an indoor oriented ability. It's an all-purpose ability to drag someone a few feet to cover. A medic rushing several meters out into a field to attempt to drag someone should get gunned down. The call to even bother trying to save a downed soldier is based on if the medic can survive the attempt or not.

And if you're thinking aircraft or opponents with a height advantage, drag capability or no, the entire squad in their sites is ****ed.

Sentrosi · 2011-07-30, 12:12 PM

I'm not sure how the spawn on SL will work, but many times as a medic I would have loved to have dragged my MAXes to a better rez point.
If MAX units can't spawn on the SL, then please add this ability to a soldiers general abilities. This would allow the medic to concentrate on reviving squad mates.
I could almost imagine a MASH type unit inside one of the main basement rooms. At leadt for an initial basement assault. But this ability should have a radius to the medic to be used.

NewSith · 2011-07-30, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by EASyEightyEight

It's not an indoor oriented ability. It's an all-purpose ability to drag someone a few feet to cover. A medic rushing several meters out into a field to attempt to drag someone should get gunned down. The call to even bother trying to save a downed soldier is based on if the medic can survive the attempt or not.

And if you're thinking aircraft or opponents with a height advantage, drag capability or no, the entire squad in their sites is ****ed.

First page, last post. Check it out... That's what I mean. I'm not against the thing. But to implant this idea you need to come up with absolutely different rezing mechanics. And all that while dragging should be inferior to field ressurection abilities. So you're implying "switching a root to change a fruit" situation. Which is wrong in any concept.

EDIT: Otherwise it'll be wasted development time.

Sovereign · 2011-07-30, 12:42 PM

Well I don't think you should be able to rez while carrying off wounded so in that case there wouldn't be a conflict...

NewSith · 2011-07-30, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Well I don't think you should be able to rez while carrying off wounded so in that case there wouldn't be a conflict...

I mean what's the point of dragging a guy to behind a rock, while you can rez him twice as fast?..

Bravix · 2011-07-30, 01:17 PM

You obviously wouldn't rez while dragging. You drag them somewhere, let go of them, then heal them as you normally would.

EASyEightyEight · 2011-07-30, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by NewSith

First page, last post. Check it out... That's what I mean. I'm not against the thing. But to implant this idea you need to come up with absolutely different rezing mechanics. And all that while dragging should be inferior to field ressurection abilities. So you're implying "switching a root to change a fruit" situation. Which is wrong in any concept.

EDIT: Otherwise it'll be wasted development time.

No, I think you're not really thinking this through, you'd have to attempt a few in-field rezzes to truly understand how bad trying to can be.

It does take some time to rez, more than long enough for a medic to be shot up and killed. If a medic can rez from behind cover, then it just makes sense for that medic to drag a downed ally behind cover with them then pick them up. No smart medic is going to dash out 12 meters to recover a body, he'll just become another body himself in the process. But a mere 2 meters can make a difference. Last I checked, people don't come back with full stam and armor, just health. They're sitting ducks while they get reoriented and start the slow walk to the nearest cover to recover. A drag ability can handle the cover portion nicely.

There's no reason NOT to have it besides development time and cost.

Sovereign · 2011-07-30, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by EASyEightyEight

There's no reason NOT to have it besides development time and cost.

That's not a fair assessment, going back to the concerns in regard to its possible grief potential..

There should be safety measures put in place to prevent misuse, for instance personal are given the option to accept aid VIA help key they call out to squadmate that initiats the recovery.

EASyEightyEight · 2011-07-30, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sovereign

That's not a fair assessment, going back to the concerns in regard to its possible grief potential..

There should be safety measures put in place to prevent misuse, for instance personal are given the option to accept aid VIA help key they call out to squadmate that initiats the recovery.

They're already dead. Why not just respawn? If some jerk comes along to grief when actual squad mates were going to help, they'll just shoot the prick and proceed to actually help.

What's he going to do otherwise? Dump your carcass over a tower wall or into the water? Yeah... totally screwed you... that bastard...

NewSith · 2011-07-30, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by EASyEightyEight

No, I think you're not really thinking this through, you'd have to attempt a few in-field rezzes to truly understand how bad trying to can be.

It does take some time to rez, more than long enough for a medic to be shot up and killed. If a medic can rez from behind cover, then it just makes sense for that medic to drag a downed ally behind cover with them then pick them up. No smart medic is going to dash out 12 meters to recover a body, he'll just become another body himself in the process. But a mere 2 meters can make a difference. Last I checked, people don't come back with full stam and armor, just health. They're sitting ducks while they get reoriented and start the slow walk to the nearest cover to recover. A drag ability can handle the cover portion nicely.

There's no reason NOT to have it besides development time and cost.

I still consider my point valid. I know it looks cool and cinematic, and, once again, I'm NOT against it. I can even state that there's no CRAZY UNSTOPPABLE grief option bound to it. And even more - it IS useful, if you can drag a body out of the line of fire to call in a medic for further ressurection.
But.
My whole point is that the ability is most likely to be underused. Thus - wasted development time.

Bravix · 2011-07-30, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by NewSith

I still consider my point valid. I know it looks cool and cinematic, and, once again, I'm NOT against it. I can even state that there's no CRAZY UNSTOPPABLE grief option bound to it. And even more - it IS useful, if you can drag a body out of the line of fire to call in a medic for further ressurection.
But.
My whole point is that the ability is most likely to be underused. Thus - wasted development time.

Fair enough, your opinion is your own. I haven't played medic in Planetside for a few years, but I've played it in games which do have the drag ability and it is an amazing tool to have at your disposal.

Hyncharas · 2011-07-31, 07:22 PM

I think dragging a teammate out of fire would be cool, but it opens up a can of worms... if this gameplay was added they would also have to add ragdoll physics to playermodels, and the studio already stated they don't plan to change the hitboxes they had in PlanetSide.

Without ragdolls it might work but it wouldn't look right, which is why the majority of MMO developers don't have them in their games.

Brusi · 2011-08-02, 02:44 AM

Trying to "HotRez" in a basefight is like riding a motorcycle down a busy road wearing a blindfold instead of a helmet!

Even pulling out your Medic or BANK to top yourself up while in cover too close to the front line of an indoor base fight can be a death sentence sometimes! A bunch of enemies burst through and there you are with your pants down, having a bank!

The ability to drag downed friendies to a dedicated rez point in a more secure part of a half-way captured base for example, brilliant!

This would give squishy cloakers and support infantry an extra role to play in indoor fights, where thier 20% maxed out air-cav or armor skills are useless.