Originally Posted by War Barney
(Stealth)
1. The shotgun might be capable of 1 hit kills in the head but they also require you to aim at the head and unless its automatic mean you need a good aim as each miss means a lot more. For me its debatable which is best as the SMG can kill in a similar time without head shots but also has range and the ammo capacity to kill more people.
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yes, but have you used an SMG? you practically need to stand still/crouch for it to be used at its full effectiveness.... the gun's cone of fire widens up when using it. and once again, have you tried being an SMG infiltrator, or an smg at all? no? then your opinion is invalid, as you have no experience first hand except for being at the end of a barrel of an smg infiltrator.
Originally Posted by War Barney
2. When theres shooting going on all around you its pretty hard to hear the noise of them entering exiting stealth and even when its quiet they can throw a decoy grenade, and of course if they unstealth behind you like any competent one will you still don't have time to turn around and shoot them before you're dead.
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i don't have this problem, along with many others here. it is pretty easy to hear enemy infiltrators, you don't have to really listen out for them, they are loud as hell and it is pretty easy to identify friend from foe (any cloaking sound that isn't your faction's cloaking sound is an enemy cloaker). and you should learn to use identifying sound to your advantage. listen out for what type of guns that are being shot (although NS weapons have an advantage for the one using them as players can't tell if you are friendly or not judging from their gunshots), use it to roughly identify what class you are going up against and where they are.
also, it is pretty damn easy to see infiltrators in the first place (unless you are playing on low, but in that case, you shouldn't be playing the game anyway imo if your PC is that bad.... it's time for an upgrade). lay down suppressive fire on the general area of the infiltrator and you'll either kill him or scare him off and get killed somewhere else.
also, i have never seen anyone use the decoy grenades. they are broken anyway.
Originally Posted by War Barney
3. I'm not a fan of snipers but my main complain is stealth here as its just such an irritating thing, games are suppose to be fun and something like this which just annoys people (well those not playing an infiltrator) aren't good additions in my opinion.
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i'd would save this one for last, because what this "get rid of stealth" argument is basically in a nutshell: "it is not fun getting flanked. nerf flanking, getting outsmarted by the enemy due to my lack of situational awareness is not fun.
lets hear that again. what you are saying is that you want to GET RID OF THE ABILITY TO FLANK, A TACTIC THAT HAS BEEN IN FPS GAMES SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
think about that.
Originally Posted by War Barney
(Reviving)
1. You can rarely make a difference but its more about feeling like you are contributing, when I'm out blowing up tanks I feel like I'm contributing as they aren't going to get revived instantly, when I kill people I don't feel like I'm helping at all as most of the time they will be revived again in a few seconds unless they pushed out alone.
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well then shoot the medic first. medics should be a high priority target, as are engees and MAXes. it is their job, and their job is good; so take em down! you've got to prioritise what targets to shoot first. taking out a medic who could potentually heal up a guy who could kill 5 people on your side is much more valuable and is "contributing" to the fight even more than taking out 5 guys.
removing revives would take a major aspect of teamwork out of this game, and it would be stupid to do so.
Originally Posted by War Barney
2. The 5 guys would respawn but they would respawn at either a sundie if they were trying to take a base or at the spawn room meaning a run back to the room that was being held giving other people time to push inside.
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....yes that was exactly my point. they were going to respawn anyway.
Originally Posted by War Barney
3. I don't see how you could think there wouldn't be complaints about something which helps to make you feel useless. Especially now people are carrying 4 revive grenades so in compact spaces a medic can revive almost an entire platoon 4 times just with those its becoming even more of an issue. People keep trying to say it helps smaller groups but all it does is help zergs a LOT. If there wasn't reviving a small group could slowly pick off people from a zerg forcing them back to a base further away (assuming they kill the sundie to) but as it is now a zerg has so many medics in it the only way to actually stop it is wipe it out completely, but ofc you can't as a small group so it encourages people to not bother fighting a zerg.
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what you are asking for is to nerf the medic class, one of if not the most teamwork-effective class in the game. it is GOOD that they have revive grenades that can do that but once again.... a medic should be a high priority target. to feel like you are contributing, take out the medic!
and if it helps zergs..... TAKE OUT THE MEDIC. and a zerg of medics would not be very effective outside infantry vs infantry... but yet again, they could be slaughtered by other classes such as HA's and MAXes.
and it is the same as arguing that
Originally Posted by War Barney
I'm not looking at it from a lone wolf view at all, simply the view that I'd like to feel like I'm contributing and when most of the people I kill end up revived in a few seconds I honestly don't feel like I've contributed anything, thats part of why I play a HA mostly, as I said blowing up vehicles feels like its doing something, kill infantry who will be mass revived in seconds doesn't
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in a nutshell, your arguments are invalid, these things are not problems, they are not getting nerfed or removed from the game (as doing so would "nerf fun"), and it all comes down to you needing more situational awareness, and prioritising medics as a target.
2014-02-08, 04:13 PM
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