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Old 2004-12-22, 11:19 AM   [Ignore Me] #16
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All MMOs have whiners, all MMOs have people who think the devs don't care about the game, all MMOs have "I've quit because I don't like the game... *bash devs*" threads.

You just have to hope the devs have enough sense to ignore such posts and concentrate on the good ideas which are provided by their community, and the posts which provide constructive criticism.
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Old 2004-12-22, 02:18 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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Originally Posted by FatalLight
Squeeky wheel gets the oil...
Nope, because the forums aren't an accurate representation of the player-base, being such a small sample of the overall community. Even if people on forums actually knew what was best for the game (which in most cases they don't) people on forums swinging one way doesn't at all signify that the way they're swinging is what would be most popular with players on the whole.

After all, I'm sure we could have easily gotten a few dozen people to post and say they think BFRs should be removed, but removing BFRs would be a huge mistake. There are also plenty of people who want Surge back. The squeeky wheel absolutely does not get the grease.

Sometimes a change occurs that there happened to have been some forum support for, and people balk at the devs "listening to the whiners". But the majority of the time changes occur which nobody ever asked for really, or talked about much at all, and nobody notices.

Warborn, that was completely unnecessary. I really don't care about the idea lab, I was simply citing it. If you have nothing further to contribute, then be quiet. My point was that fan based sites like that are so entirely devoted to getting the devs attention (the forum post on this site is at like 39 pages or something) that it is really sad when the devs pay them no heed. I am just sad that the devs choose to listen to the whiners instead or the people with actual ideas.
You've mentioned the Idea Lab on several occassions. Please, we both know what your opinion of it is.

You also have no idea if the developers have paid it attention. No, they haven't given their job to Hayoo and opted to do whatever he put on the site, but that doesn't mean they haven't seen what he's done and perhaps been influenced by it.

And I think I addressed the whiners point amply in the other part of this post. It's funny, with all the remove BFRs posts, BFRs are still in. With all the "we didn't ask for bailing malfunction! take it out!" posts, bailing is still in. Do I need to continue over the dozens of other changes that nobody asked for, and some people opposed on the forums? Or how about all the posts with many replies asking for some feature or change that was never added to the game after all? And yet people still think the developers only listen to the whiners. Sigh.
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Old 2004-12-22, 05:25 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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This brings up the argument most often used in politics...

Can 59 million people be wrong? Or is the the 52 other million's fault?

We need to unite behind a common banner and quit the whole BFR's suck thing because the more the devs worry about how we're going to complain they less they might do because they're scared they might mess it up worse making an even bigger mess. If we didn't have so much god damn bashing, PS would be owning all. Seriously, Dev's tweak all you wish, but let us know how it's going to work IN GAME in COMBAT situations under HEAVY FIRE. AFter all, that's what modern weapons producers put their products through. The worst possible conditions to see if it can weather the storm.

P.S. Phantasm looks like a great idea.
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Old 2004-12-22, 05:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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Originally Posted by Lartnev


All MMOs have whiners, all MMOs have people who think the devs don't care about the game, all MMOs have "I've quit because I don't like the game... *bash devs*" threads.

You just have to hope the devs have enough sense to ignore such posts and concentrate on the good ideas which are provided by their community, and the posts which provide constructive criticism.

qf to the fucking t
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Old 2004-12-22, 08:12 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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[edit]I wanna delete what this post...
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Old 2004-12-25, 01:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #21
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was it flies with honey or viniger? cant remember.

neways
This convo seems way more constructive when im not slaying everyone....
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Old 2004-12-25, 09:31 AM   [Ignore Me] #22
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Go Warborn, it's ya birthday, Go Warborn, it's ya birthday, go war....







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Old 2004-12-25, 06:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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So let me guess...
The Vanu BFR is going to be nerfed worse than the rest. Im just guessing here.
Seems to me that the people get all hyped up and piss them selves when they sea peeps using briight flashy laser guns. Now imagine some flashy armor and sparky guns on a big ole roobot that can fly. I can hear the shit bricks hitting the ground from here. So is the VS BFR going to get the mag.lash treatment?
This blows, I knew by the time I come back the BFR are really going to be big fucking retards, just like TB. HAHA
By the TB you should look for perhaps a job that pays decent, um like perhaps you can write insults on bathroom stalls. You seem very prepared for that type of beef.
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Old 2004-12-25, 07:16 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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The VS BFR, the one BFR to RULE THEM ALL.

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Old 2004-12-26, 09:34 AM   [Ignore Me] #25
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Im getting excited to try out the BFRs! I saw that video on the OF and the way they move is awsome. I really still cant belive how much people whine when the devs add new things. Poor guys are probally afraid of half of the gaming population because they can never do anything right. How about I say YAY devs for taking HUGE steps in the right direction. Im glad I saw the end of the world but still dont want to get back to nerfed BFRs. And I hope the devs keep adding stuff just as impactfull. Like battle cruisers would be hot hot hot.

How about making a sort of mod that allows player to use a new vehicle like a bulldozer and this can make trenches and baracades in certain mapped areas and only certain people can use them. They would be really slow and really hard to destroy because they only make geo changes. Then the INF could utilize the fox holes and trenches etc. It would reset at the end of the day.. Umm due to the debris that we dont see that fill the holes. Ummm all those dead bodies and destroyed vehicles gotta go somewhere jk Also for the poor poor inf how about smoke gernades?
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Old 2004-12-26, 09:47 AM   [Ignore Me] #26
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wait... so you've never even seen a bfr ingame, yet you already have an opinion on whether or not they should be nerfed?
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Old 2004-12-26, 09:56 AM   [Ignore Me] #27
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No i have not played them yet. Can you understand where im coming from? Nevermind...
Might as well put a few of you on ignore. I tried to reason, i tried to fight, now im just going to pretend you are what you are. Nothing. No offence, like dont spend your precious time thinking of the all time best come back. If im such and idiot etc then why waste your time talking to me? Wouldnt that make you an idiots jester?
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Old 2004-12-26, 11:17 AM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Originally Posted by Lusence
No i have not played them yet. Can you understand where im coming from? Nevermind...
....Nope.
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Old 2004-12-26, 11:20 AM   [Ignore Me] #29
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hahaha this is briliant. Absolutly golden. Here we have a person who bases everything they know on the movie and say the BFRs didnt need to get nerfed. Lemmi tell you something. Those god damn things needed to be beat to shit with a nerf bat. I was part of one of the best outfits in the game, I am not a nub or a retard, anyone here who has ever played with me can vouch for that. I normaly had a 3 : 1 ratio when I was ground pounding, and a 5 - 8 : 1 when I did my air cav thing. Then the BFRs came. It gave people an absolutly no skill way to kill everything in the game with ease.

PS has always been based that just because you are 8 years older char that a nub can still rape you. You are still just as easy to kill as he is to you. But suddenly the devs decided that anyone who is more than 3 weeks old (an estimate) and has the cert points can cert in BFRs, then go to the caves, get imprinted and.... WOAH!!!! SKILLESS KILL SPAM. Its akin to a superpowered flying reaver vanguard jachhammer combo. It CAN be killed, but its incredibly dificult to do unless you built your charcter to JUST do that.

The bitching people do is justified. The BFRs were overpowered cans of shit. They DONT look cool, they have REALLY crappy movement animations, and they ruin the gameplay. Are they cool? Fuck yes. But do they make the game fun? Only for the pilots.

Facts are that the devs do read the forums. They will read this very post, and they most likly will find it hilarious that you havnt played the game yet you thing they people yelling about BFRs are morrons. Play the game, get raped a million times and have no chanse of lifting a siege on your base THEN you can say that they are morrons.


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Old 2004-12-26, 11:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #30
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I think the BFRs look cool

Bitching is never justified, constructive criticism should be welcomed whenever possible however
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