Update on Surge Changes - Page 2

Lartnev · 2004-03-17, 11:58 AM

Edited for stupidity. Sorry.

oddfish · 2004-03-17, 12:05 PM

yeah.. um.. Oxo, that was along the lines of a non-cool thing to say. I'm not looking to start flaming anyone, but you can make yourself sound like a real ass sometimes.

Queensidecastle · 2004-03-17, 12:09 PM

Just because you dont agree with my position on the Surge nerf you accuse me of being an exploiter? You better have something to back that up with.

I know you are a noobie on these forums so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you havent read my endless streams of posts criticizing Surgiles and warp exploiters long before you ever started coming here

Lartnev · 2004-03-17, 12:12 PM

I just feel that your persistant hatred of this change is unwarrented. The exploit comment was out of order, but I just feel you really seem to be going at the devs jugular over this issue and I don't understand why.

Happy lil Elf · 2004-03-17, 12:13 PM

Because he's a dumbass.

Queensidecastle · 2004-03-17, 12:13 PM

You know, I would love that people wouldnt exploit the Warp. I would love that Planetside not have said warping problem, but at least I am concious enough to realize there are people who live to exploit. Thats one reason the propose Dev change infuriated me so much, because it will change nothing. The exploiters are going to warp more than ever and as a side benefit all the honest players get to eat a big fat nerf

Lartnev · 2004-03-17, 12:16 PM

I think we should just wait until the patch goes live and find that one out.

Yes I agree, there are always people who want to cheat and exploit, having been an admin for a couple of FPS games I know that all too well. This should at least reduce the number of exploiters, even if that's just the number of accidental exploiters (those who may not have been aware of their warping). It certainly won't be as easy to do as it is now.

Finally if it's done with macros, I remember seeing on the weekly development activities that they're looking into better ways of detecting cheaters (could have been exploiters). Maybe that includes picking up macroers (I know EverQuest has done this for a while, but I guess they're a lot easier to pick up).

Queensidecastle · 2004-03-17, 12:32 PM

Lets hope so.

Oh, and I was reading this thread on another computer and cought Happy's comment. I of course never agree with anything you have to say either but your constant personal attacks and trolling is getting real old. Your ignored for a reason.

Krinsath · 2004-03-17, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Queensidecastle

You know, I would love that people wouldnt exploit the Warp. I would love that Planetside not have said warping problem, but at least I am concious enough to realize there are people who live to exploit. Thats one reason the propose Dev change infuriated me so much, because it will change nothing. The exploiters are going to warp more than ever and as a side benefit all the honest players get to eat a big fat nerf

You might be correct, you might be wrong. However, you seem unwilling to acknowledge the latter.

Once the fix gets on test, we'll resume the discussion...until then how about we all just agree to disagree on the effects since none of us can verify anything, m'kay?

Vick · 2004-03-17, 03:41 PM

People say surgiles are the worst players in the games, newb, exploiters.

Wtf? SG, AC, all these outfits with the best players in the game are full of noobs?

They are better players then you, deal with it. Warping is lame, but do you think that is why they have 10 times the kills as you? No, they have skill.

I have skill, I do not whine or scream "newb" if I get killed. I have no problem competing with the surgiles with my medium assault. Why do you guys have trouble killing these guys when you have rexo and heavy assault??? BECAUSE YOU SUCK.

Say Arakiel or SGswift kill you with surgile/HA, do you think they would not kill you with rexo and medium assault if you were surgile?

Krinsath · 2004-03-17, 04:18 PM

Bad example for a variety of reasons Vick.

1) You use a Gauss, as you've proclaimed loudly many times, the rifle with the highest TTK in CQB. How successful are you with a Cycler, with the worst TTK at close range?

2) You're NC, and forgive my ignorance if you play other empires as I've seen no information to indicate you do, which means you rarely face a JH at point-blank. The Lasher and MCG, while nasty at point-blank, are not nearly as lethal as a JH.

3) Recall you posting that you run on a fairly high-end system (ignore the following if that is incorrect). Unless you're going to be paying to upgrade everyone's computer, you can't hide behind the "update your machine"...some people have more important things to spend money on than a $50 game. PS should not be about who has the deepest pockets...or who's parents have the deepest pockets in some cases.

4) The two people you reference are some of the worst warpers in the game. Whatever the reason is (lag, laptop, etc.), they can warp simply by WALKING up steps. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they have a CSR who shadows them at all times looking for proof of wrongdoing. They still play so I'm guessing they haven't seen anything yet, which is why I generally don't complain about them. But to bring them up as proof that surgile is a valid tactic? That's pushing it.

5) Skilled players will remain skilled players, no matter what happens. If taking away Surge makes them no longer effective, then that is more or less proof that they are not skilled at PS, but skilled at abusing exploits...which really isn't a skill at all.

Saying "people who can't beat those that abuse the netcode suck" is probably the most misinformed, asinine opinion ever voiced on the subject here. QSC and myself have gone round and round on the surge issue, but the points he raises (along with Eldanesh) have at least some merit.

This, this is drivel. Not a single valid point made, not a single suggestion made to improve the problem...only insults hurled around.

If you have a valid argument, by all means share it. Childish finger-pointing and name-calling can be left on the Official Forums...nobody here is paid to deal with it like Spork is on the OF.

DucusSumus · 2004-03-17, 04:20 PM

I was worrided there for a second as well. Its a good thing that the devs are standing by this change despite the NC whines. Well done, Devs!

oddfish · 2004-03-17, 04:24 PM

I'm proud to say that I am one of the few, the proud, NC non-whiners. This reply is spam.

Krinsath · 2004-03-17, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by oddfish

I'm proud to say that I am one of the few, the proud, NC non-whiners. This reply is spam.

I almost expect to see the Loch Ness Monster now.

j/k, I know for a fact that the vast majority of NC are not whiners and are probably just as happy to see the TR and VS exploiters get a nerf as everyone else.

oddfish · 2004-03-17, 04:30 PM

Oh.. well then. i don't feel special anymore. I'm gonna go have a sprite and watch soem TV now.