World server locations and pop indicators - Page 2

SKYeXile · 2011-08-04, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by TacosWLove

The only other game I know that uses a single shard server cluster is eve. And the best way it works is by having them all in a single cluster(i.e. the same location). If they choose to have a single shard my bets is it would be on the East coast of the US. My pings dont get to bad when the trans Atlantic cable hasnt been cut and Hell, look at all the Chinese players that go through several proxies just to get on the US server and they dont seem to mind.

they dont mind with CSHD, change the netcode and it could be unplayable with over 100ping.

SKYeXile · 2011-08-04, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Goku

Were you Aussies that common on Markov?

i can name afew off the top of my head.

Daredevil
pwnn00b
KICKSIS
Rav3n
brolli
0osh
Rol351
Hania
SyKO
Clev3r

TerminatorUK · 2011-08-05, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

they dont mind with CSHD, change the netcode and it could be unplayable with over 100ping.

This is a good point regarding hit detection. The devs confirmed PS2 would be a mix of client & server side hit detection. Hopefully all projectiles/gunplay will remain CSHD with server side vehicle collision detection to stop random warping@mowing occuring. I think that would give the best of both worlds.

exLupo · 2011-08-05, 03:14 AM

Single shard is super important for EVE's niche but I don't see the reality of transcontinental pings allowing it for a FPS. Maybe one per region (NA, EU, SE-Asia) but anything more would start to suck. I'm getting 200ms to Telstra and that's RDC to RDC so individual user issues would just add to the lag. I'll tolerate TF2 servers up to 100 but I filter over that because it gets less and less fun to play. That and you'd never be able to experiment with other empires.

So, what's that leave. 3NA, 3EU and 3SE-A if the game turns a profit?

Ant001 · 2011-08-05, 05:00 AM

If it's a single us server you will lose a lot of EU players and thats a fact.
Saying 100ms doesn't affect your gameplay is ridiculas. Ask any decent FPS player about playing with a high ping. It's just terrible. As for players using the Markov server at the moment , they complain all the time about minigun shooting around corners etc etc ..That my friend is ping related.
Please Bring back Werner and this time put it in london.
Theres a reason that most companies use data centers in London.

Trolltaxi · 2011-08-05, 02:01 PM

Considering the amount of russian and chineese players a tadjik or dagestani server would be fair...

But to be serious the community needs an EU server (preferably on the continent

) Playing with way higher ping than your U.S. opponents (and don't forget lover TTKs) is unfair.

Rbstr · 2011-08-05, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ant001

Saying 100ms doesn't affect your gameplay is ridiculas. Ask any decent FPS player about playing with a high ping. It's just terrible

And you're being ridiculous to assert it's terrible. Yeah, not optimal but it's very far removed from game breaking in the majority of titles out there these days.

MCG shooting around corners has more to do with the tick rate and extrapolation.

Anyway, I stand by as few servers as is necessary for a good experience.
There's very little reason that two continental US servers would be required, as an example, unless there's a population issue or SOE cheaps out on bandwidth.

RedKnights · 2011-08-05, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Quovatis

Higby hinted that initially there won't be that many continents, so there will have to be quite a few servers. However, after release and after more continents are added, fewer servers might be warranted as each server could accommodate more players.

But I'm with you--as few servers as possible, but still span the globe.

Keep in mind they've also said that the continents will support far more people, so few continents doesn't necessarily = lower overall capacity

SKYeXile · 2011-08-05, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

MCG shooting around corners has more to do with the tick rate and extrapolation.

Negative, its a direct result of clinetside hit detection, you're getting hit around the corner on your screen, but to the other person whos shooting you you're still in sight on their screen.

warping is the result of extrapolation and tick rate.

Bravix · 2011-08-06, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by TerminatorUK

This is a good point regarding hit detection. The devs confirmed PS2 would be a mix of client & server side hit detection. Hopefully all projectiles/gunplay will remain CSHD with server side vehicle collision detection to stop random warping@mowing occuring. I think that would give the best of both worlds.

No. No no no no no.

I'm tired of getting killed by the MCG after I've left his sight for an entire second.

exLupo · 2011-08-06, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bravix

I'm tired of getting killed by the MCG after I've left his sight for an entire second.

Or two.
Or three...

SKYeXile · 2011-08-06, 07:06 AM

you idiots know that you kill people around corners(on their screen) all the time with any weapon right?

Rbstr · 2011-08-06, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Negative, its a direct result of clinetside hit detection, you're getting hit around the corner on your screen, but to the other person whos shooting you you're still in sight on their screen.

warping is the result of extrapolation and tick rate.

That's exactly the same thing but from a different perspective.
Extrapolation can also have you staying in one place when you've really started moving. Furthermore Extrapolation is part of the client side hit detection...how do you think it knows where to place the hitboxes for detection? The low tick rate is why you have extrapolation that goes so wrong.

WarChimp130 · 2011-08-06, 12:56 PM

1 Euro, 1 East Coast, 1 West Coast. Keep it simple IMO. It'll keep the servers full and the lag down.

SKYeXile · 2011-08-06, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

That's exactly the same thing but from a different perspective.
Extrapolation can also have you staying in one place when you've really started moving. Furthermore Extrapolation is part of the client side hit detection...how do you think it knows where to place the hitboxes for detection? The low tick rate is why you have extrapolation that goes so wrong.

lol why try to argue when you're wrong, they could switch to using interpolation and up the tickrate to 1000, but if they still use the clientside to detect a hit, people are still going to die around corners because on somebody else's client you're still on their screen.

the only way to "fix" people dying around corners is to use a standard serverside hit detection model, with no lag compensation, each person would have to predict based off their ping where the target is on the server and shoot there, and as i said...with much over 100ping this would be unplayable.