Question about Americans (NO FLAMING or else!)

[Manitou]

Originally posted by ABRAXAAS
How about Canada just cuts off all the fresh watter.electricity,minerals.metal,trees and forestry products .
and we will see how long the states lasts behind its wall .

Canada and Russia are the 2 only countries in the world that are completely self sufficient ,if you put a bubble over the states it would fall appart . as powerful as the military is the US consumes to much for its own good.

Someone obviously has not done his homework before submitting his paper.

[Nohimn]

I think I should create a nation called Nohimnia where we will all isolate ourselves from society..... It will be in the middle of Brooklyn....

[Civilian]

Terrorism is absolutely a problem, but what does that have to do with Saddam Hussein? There isn't even one ounce of proof that Saddam Hussein has any connection to Al Qaeda or any other terrorist organization. This administrations justification for going to war is that they have weapons of mass destruction(which no evidence exists of), and while they are willing to go to war with Iraq, they are seeking a peaceful solution to a conflict with North Korea.

There is a small percentage of people in the middle east that think very highly of people like Bin Laden, because they believe that he is "the second coming" or a prophet fighting a holy war against the "evil Americans." Before the war in Afghanistan, Bin Laden spoke on Al Jazeera telling the people of the middle east that, if they allow America to attack Afghanistan they will go after Iraq and they will never leave. Those people won't forget that, and now it has come true.

If nothing more that for the sake of the people of Iraq, I am all for ousting Saddam Hussein. A ruthless dictator that could eventually threaten the world, but I WILL NOT sacrifice thousands of innocent lives to accomplish this goal. All peaceful solutions should be exhausted and war should ALWAYS be a last resort imo. For every 10 innocent civilian you kill in Iraq you will create at least as many terrorists. Destroying the Iraqi infrastructure accomplishes absolutely nothing, except to add-to the suffering of an already impoverished people and fuel the hate for Americans in the Middle East.

There are alot of hateful people in this country. If you are willing to allow large amounts of civilian casualties to kill one man, you are hateful, it's that simple. You say the people who are anti-war are naive, I say the people who take the governments word at face value, and don't believe this war isn't about oil or a revenge for the elder Bush, you are naive.

I am interested in doing what is best for human kind. There is a peaceful solution, and it isn't being sought. The Bush administration has made up their mind, we are going to war, and it is sad.

[BLuE_ZeRO]

SadDam is a very unstable leader and he does need to be removed but let's be realistic, he has terrorist ties and just about everyone knows it. Just like we knew that he had been developing nuclear weapons before we had sent in our "inspectors."

As for risking thousands of people to kill one man what are you talking about? You know as well as I do that SadDam's army isn't just going to step aside and let us capture him. He's not going to leave without putting up a fight. If we were just fighting against one man sure send in a few guys to take him out but we're not just fighting one man.

[Incompetent]

I WILL NOT sacrifice thousands of innocent lives to accomplish this goal

Its a thousand now or a Million later

There is a peaceful solution, and it isn't being sought

No there isn't, he is a madman addicted to power and the suffering of his people and he doesn't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks, because he doesn't think we will actaully do anything.

It's not like his people give a shit what happens to him, they hate him more then anything in the world, but they are afraid of him. In the gulf war they had entire companies of Iraqi's surrenduring to fire teams when they thought they could escape Iraq.

[Nohimn]

nicely put Incompetent! AND ON TOP OF THAT, as I have said before, war=jobs=better economy, Bush is just seizing the opportunity. War is the solution to everyone's problem.

[Civilian]

Sadham is a very unstable leader and he does need to be removed but let's be realistic, he has terrorist ties and just about everyone knows it. Just like we knew that he had been developing nuclear weapons before we had sent in our "inspectors."

What do you mean we "know" he has terroist ties and nuclear weapons. You "know" it because your government tells, you believe it without any proof to back it up. That makes absolutely no sense. If a guy came up to you on the street and said your best friend is cheating with your girlfriend, would you just accept what he says at face value? No, you would want to know how he knows. Just "knowing" isn't an acceptable answer.

As for risking thousands of people to kill one man what are you talking about? You know as well as I do that Sadham's army isn't just going to step aside and let us capture him.

Obviously, and this will result in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

[Incompetent]

What do you mean we "know" he has terroist ties and nuclear weapons.

Well he pays suicide bombers families and Isreali inteligence has tracked several components used primarily for nukes to his country.

If a guy came up to you on the street and said your best friend is cheating with your girlfriend, would you just accept what he says at face value?

If he was Isreali Intel, i would start looking for a new gf

[Civilian]

war=jobs=better economy

This isn't 1920. During war time, the military relies on manufacturing. Most manufacturing today is done overseas, it will have very little impact on our economy. The economy today relies on the markets and the markets do not like volatility, if we go to war the market loses ground and it can result in a triple-dip recession.

[Civilian]

It's not like his people give a shit what happens to him, they hate him more then anything in the world, but they are afraid of him. In the gulf war they had entire companies of Iraqi's surrenduring to fire teams when they thought they could escape Iraq.

That's not true, not anymore. The Kurds still have that hate for him, but 11 years of sanctions causing the deaths of countless numbers of Iraqis have instilled that American hatred in them. His military is loyal, and his people are much more loyal than they were during the gulf war.

[Incompetent]

No they are scared, acid torture and rape do not inspire loyalty, they inspire terror. How can you be loyal to someone who would give you a medal for shooting your own kid. Many Iraqi's who have escaped still wisper his name when they talk about him because they are afraid they are being watched.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Incompetent
If he was Isreali Intel, i would start looking for a new gf

Now that is a bit biased. You don't think Israel might have something to gain by Saddam and Iraq losing power in the Middle East?

Saying that Israeli intel is the one who told you your girlfriend has been cheating on you, is like saying: Someone, who has been eyeing your girlfriend, told you that your girlfriend is cheating on you.

[Incompetent]

Well if he's such a damnably nice guy then why do they want him gone, oh wait, maybe because he pays the people that blow up in city squares

[Lexington_Steele]

And Sharon is such a Saint.

[Doobz]

its kinda funny how people say they want public proof.

they're trying to mount evidence right?

so if they make proof public (which im sure they do have non-public proof, classified or something cuz thats how governments work) what do you think happens to the proof?
saddam whips out a can of the good old proof-be-gone and claims we are warmongers seeing stuff that isnt there.
the point is if we make public the wrong type of proof, he can easily mount a political defense.
there is certain types of evidence that are suitable for making a public case against, stuff that saddam can't back out of or weasel his way out of. if u jump up and say look what i found on the first thing that shows, he defends and you end up looking like a fool.

in my opinion, the whole proof finding should have been done covertly, cold war style. theres enough unhappy scientists and other people over there to easily have added quite a few informers to the NSA payroll.