The Planetside armaments predicament that�s plaguing us today - Page 2

ZionsFire · 2003-06-18, 04:22 AM

nooooo me already ban once

mikkyT · 2003-06-18, 04:45 AM

yeah....ITS A FRIGGIN TRI BARRELED SHOTGUN IDIOTS ITS SUPPOSED TO KICK ASS!

I could say something similar for the DC MAX, but that got hit with the nerf bat, and so will the suxhammer

kidriot · 2003-06-18, 04:46 AM

When the Jackhammer is nerfed, or the Mini-chaingun and Lasher buffed, it won't be because the people unhappy with the Jackhammer "won". It'll be because the wide-spread complaints were indicitive of a problem with game balance, and an actual problem with the game fixed.

where were these "wide-spread complaints" about the jackhammer pre-TR max adjustment?

mikkyT · 2003-06-18, 04:48 AM

where were these "wide-spread complaints" about the jackhammer pre-TR max adjustment?

2 reasons...

1) we had something to fight back with then, and
2) we didnt want the nerf bat to start being weilded, because once its been swung, it won't stop.

kidriot · 2003-06-18, 04:55 AM

the pounder and DC are still very strong maxes. you can still send 2 or 3 in a tower and wipe out infantry like no tomorrow. all the splash dmg fix did was make it easier and feasible to run away from one.

the DC max is where it's supposed to be at. all AV maxes have a hard time with infantry. now that the DC has a tough time (and it isnt really that tough) with infantry it's where it's supposed to be at.

I'm not one for bandwagons but I am for needed adjustments. I've fought against jackhammers and sweepers. the only reason I'd fear a jackhammer over a sweeper user is if he/she knows how to use the alt fire mode.

1v1 and in close quarters, a jackhammer should have no equal. incidently it does, as the rocklet can wipe you out before you blink. that is the purpose of heavy assault. that it can quickly mow through infantry.

w/that in mind, instead of bringing the jackhammer down, they ought to raise the chaingun and lasher.

BeerJedi · 2003-06-18, 09:23 AM

I've got no issues with any of the weaponry out there.

And for that matter, most of the vehicles. btw... I love that Vanguard!!! wow!!! We stole one last nite on amerish, kept it runnin' for an hour!!! took out several unsuspecting NC with it. They see profile on the horizon.. ahh.. vanguard, one of ours... about a second later the first shell lands!!!

And it looks kick ass in the Black and Red.

Like my prowler, but that vanguard rocks!

Jarlo · 2003-06-18, 09:37 AM

You can blink at least once or twice before a rocklet gets you, it has a full 1 sec pause in secondary fire mode before it launches.

I killed ALOT of lasher users last night with my sweeper shotgun playing NC. At very close range-- it is just WRONG and further supports my decision to leave VS behind me.

Chaingun just needs COF tightened, otherwise it is a fun and nifty weapon.

I would MUCH prefer to see chaingun and lasher pumped up instead of jackhamma being nerfed.

Knuckles · 2003-06-18, 10:36 AM

[...] then you will have to nerf the lasher because that gun flat out owns...

Did I read that right? Lasher. Flat. Out. Owns?

Lemme tell Ya something. The Lasher is mindnumbingly useless. It can't possible own anything! I wouldn't even trust it with a library card!

At its intended range (close combat) it gets outdamaged by the one weapon that's been the laughingstock throughout whole beta and up to this very day - the Pulsar! And now the devs decided to improve that weapon instead of the Lasher?!?

...

If You got owned, it sure wasn't because of the weapon of Your enemy. You probably went up against an FPS God, in which case You would have been owned anyway, even if Your opponent would have been wielding a snickers bar (or that library card he just found littering the ground).

Riyu · 2003-06-18, 10:57 AM

From what I've seen, many VS use the Lasher as a long range weapon.

Yesterday, I was using 12x zoom (with range implant) sniping a guy with a Lasher. He ducked and sprayed my area and I was dead before my 2nd shot went off.

It may be weak in close range battles, but I think it's accuracy at longer ranges makes up for it. Just need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons and use it to what makes sense, not necessarily what it's meant for.

OneManArmy · 2003-06-18, 11:02 AM

I seriously doubt we were going against gods.... the lasher in the hands of someone who knows how to use it will cream you any day of the week. many a jackhammer totin' NC rednecks have fallen to the lasher. perhaps you should spend more time getting to know the purple beams of manlove.

but I think we can all agree the chaingun sucks

of course I hardly see anybody using it so....

BladeRunner · 2003-06-18, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Seer
I actually like the lasher the way it is. I approach people from 30 meters and start strafing and spraying those orbs at them. It's like boiling a frog, by the time they realize they need to get out, they're already dead.

Ya know, unless they kill me while my orbs are in flight, but that doesn't happen often. Or I fail to kill them and they kill me in cq while I'm reloading, which happens quite often.

Listen to this man. He's a VS player, knows what he's talking about, and has made my point about why the jackhammer should not be nerfed. Also he used a sweet quote about frogs.

You guys are saying "bring the other 2 up to par" but you're not recognizing that the Lasher and the Chaingun have at least SOME medium to long range effectiveness. If you "bring them up to par" in CQC with the jackhammer, you're really making things unbalanced.

At 30m, the jackhammer WOULD NOT KILL someone who was standing completely still in an entire clip, even if they were letting you shoot them, and you were crouching

If you want to see about how far 30m is, check this screenshot.

http://blade.thexgamer.net/scripts/p...enShot0205.jpg

edit: I'll even go so far as to say that at 30m, an entire jackhammer clip would barely scratch an infantry.

Oh, and I forgot to add, someone call the wahmbulance because OMA needs a dose of stfu..

AcidCat · 2003-06-18, 11:23 AM

I don't have a problem with the Jackhammer. But as some have already mentioned, the mini chaingun needs help. The COF expansion is just ridiculous.

OneManArmy · 2003-06-18, 11:27 AM

I hate you.. I've always hated you the most.....

Happy lil Elf · 2003-06-18, 11:35 AM

I could say something similar for the DC MAX, but that got hit with the nerf bat, and so will the suxhammer

Ok...that was just lame. I mean come on, at least put some effort into it

2) we didnt want the nerf bat to start being weilded, because once its been swung, it won't stop.

Of course now that your MAXs got hit with it, it's a FFA on everyone else, right?

Yes the MCG needs work, and yes the lasher could use a tweak. As they are now, only the lasher is worth the 4 certs and only barely. The MCG isn't worth anything since you get the cycler which is more accurate and can fire longer bursts than the MCG.

Does the above mean you should downgrade the Jackhammer? No. It means you should improve the Lasher a bit and make the MCG worth a damn. You get the Jackhammer nerfed and guess what? The MCG still sucks ass.

Plato · 2003-06-18, 12:41 PM

The MCG is currently worth about as much as tits on a bull - I hope the devs are checking the stats on it and make an improvement soon.

The Jackhammer is a much upgraded Sweeper... I think the idea of the MCG is to be a much upgraded Cycler. There are two problems:

- An upgraded Cycler is going to "pwnx" many and people will cry nerf like with the Jacksmurfs
- If they do a halfassed 'upgrade' over the cycler (like it is now), it's not going to be worth the 4 certs or be in-line with the the JH which also means much whining and bitching (like this)

They need to be careful improving the MCG. I wouldn't care if they scrapped it in favour of something new.