Who here prefers the decimator over AV weapons?

[Eliaas_Demens]

If only the Decimator was five shots..

[OneArmedScissor]

Decimator all the way

[Cease]

I've loved the Decimator ever since I chose Special Assault back when I was like BR8. And the more you use it, the more you learn use the secondary fire mode and lead. Nothing more satisfying than shooting Reavers and Mosquitos out of the sky with a Decimator.

And the Thumper is such an Underrated weapon. I used to think the same way, but the more I use it, the more I see how much of a good weapon it is.

[Eliaas_Demens]

However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational. I can't even count the number of times I've been riddled with bullets before I can even get close enough to launch a grenade.

[aiwest420]

my br11 TR char has SA.

i do prefer the deci over the striker (striker has too low dmg, deci is much quicker killing small vehicles/maxs).

thumper: love usin this thing, its the perfect weap for taking our groups of infantry (AMS )

rocklet: dont bother with this thing, it doesnt carry enough ammo, takes around 4/5 shots to kill someone.

[Arakiel]

The rocklet is just crap. I must say though, I love when friendlies use secondary mode and spray rockets all over the damn place and kill me.

As far as the decimator goes, there's a reason I almost always carry one. (three, usually)

[Streamline]

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
I beg to differ. The Rocklet may be a spam weapon(who uses primary fire?), but the Thumper is a weapon that requires a great deal of skill to use properly. It's taken me quite some time to refine my accuracy with the Thumper down, and I'm quite proud of my ability to drop a grenade on the foot of a reinforced from a third of the way across an SOI. Besides... how do you spam with a weapon that slow?

When i had the thumper. Everytime i approached a zerged tower. The first thing i'd do is flip the secondary and start spamming thew the door, down the stairs. I'm pretty sure they still do that.

For that matter what weapon could you not spam with besides the bolt driver and the striker? Anytime you can fire a weapon and hope a target presents itself after the fact. I call that spam. Anytime you blanket an area with ordinance cuz you either can't actually hit the target or don't know the targets exact location. I call that spam. Anytime you aim in the general direction of a target and shoot. I call that spam. Plasma by nature has a spamming effect. most ppl who use thumpers load plasma.

[Cease]

However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational.

The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational. A good loadout, quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game.

[aiwest420]

As far as the decimator goes, there's a reason I almost always carry one. (three, usually) [/B]

haha yea, i remember you taking out my lightning last night with a decimator. was at faro on cyssor, i believe.

[Streamline]

Originally posted by Cease
However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational.

The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational. A good loadout, quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game.

But you can't have every weapon. You get two in most cases. Thus, some hardline decisions need to be made about your loadout. Arakiel had tryed to get me to switch to SA for Deci use in place of my AV. Even though i have admoration for the Deci and call for them often on TS. I myself can't do without the Lancer. While the lasher may be ok for AV at close range. The lancer still owns over it. Decis may own all for AV. But it doesnt do me any good vs. both mixed infanty and maxes at range. At close range the lancer doesn't splash so im not at risk by using it.

There isn't any one weapon thats better for all situation. Theres not even a two weapon combo that can possibly cover every situation. But almost any two weapons can be use for a vast majority of situations. You just need to determine what they are for you personally.

If i'm taking point or leading a squad i take into consideration what other ppl are using and i try not to waste time on things my squads not suited to deal with. While handing out positions for defending a CC or maybe a tower. I try to place ppl according to what i predict will come threw the door.

[Queensidecastle]

I MUCH prefer the Decimator to AV. The main reason is space in my inventory. My play style almost never has me in an open field against MAXs. I just cant justify the 3 points that almost completely fills your inventory if you want to even be moderatly usefull with AV. The Decimator takes 3 ammo slots in your inventory. The space and mobility to damage ratio is as good as you can possibly get. Also, if you have a Decimator in your pack, you dont need to also waste space for AP ammo. Besides, phoenix, striker, and lancers just suck for removing MAXs from consoles and spawn areas, and you just gave up almost all your inventory to do less with more.

Special assault was king for Vanu before the Lasher upgrade because Vanu didnt have any decent weapons, certainly nothing on the level of the ridiculous striker. The phoenix, while mad fun to use, is just far to limiting. You cannot have the phoenix loadout and also be effective at killing grunts. Its slow refire rate almost ensures that you will not kill a vehicle in one sitting and if you cant kill the vehicle, whats the point. Decimators in alt fire mode can kill MAXs and vehicles stupidfast.

All in all I would say that the Striker is the only AV worth having and even then, your just gonna sit around bored waiting for aircraft or MAXs while being an ineffective grunt. Decimator allows you to be a hardcore grunt + Engineer HAcker or Medic while at the same time allowing you to pull out the Decimator for some vehicle or MAX whoopass

EDIT: I forgot to add that AV REQUIRES Reinforced if you want to be any sort of usefull. In Agile, you either pick HA/MA OR you pick AV. Unlike AV, an Agile with SA can STILL be an effective HA and also be effective with a Decimator.

[Revolver]

I prefer the phx to anything else. I could pwn most vehicles w/ it. I loved it.

Originally posted by Onizuka
yay br 20 hehe.... now i have to lead AHHHHHH

I got that out of the way a while back

[Cease]

Streamline,

I'm confused why you quoted me. Are you debating something I said or just giving what I said further explanation? I thought you were debating something I said, but you pretty much re-iterated my thoughts.

You said: "Thus, some hardline decisions need to be made about your loadout."

I said: "The key to success in this game... a good loadout"

You're loadout is obviously going to depend on how you're certed as well as what the sitation calls for. No loadout is all around perfect. Which is why we have the ability to save 10 Favorites and not just 1.


You said: "There isn't any one weapon thats better for all situation. Theres not even a two weapon combo that can possibly cover every situation."

I said: "The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational."

We essentially say the same thing here, just worded differently.

You said: "You just need to determine what they are for you personally.

If i'm taking point or leading a squad i take into consideration what other ppl are using and i try not to waste time on things my squads not suited to deal with. While handing out positions for defending a CC or maybe a tower. I try to place ppl according to what i predict will come threw the door."

I said: "...quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game."

In your example you assessed the situation and reacted to it by using weapons best suited for the situation.

So Im not sure if you were disagreeing with something I said or not, because to me it seems like we are pretty much on the same page.

[Streamline]

Cease, you said the Deci allows you to be a hardcore grunt as though you had to have one to really be one. I don't carry one and i am playing hardcore grunt right now. All im saying is that since all the weapons are situational. While the Deci may not be right for me. It maybe for my partner or one or more of my squadmates. But that doen't make us any different. Just better suited to handle more circumstances.

I can't tell you how many /tells i've got from ppl seeing me use the lancer inside in cqb saying "you are the luckiest bastard"

But i play VS you play TR this maybe totally different for you. IDK What i can say is. I've played with alot of very good VS maxs and one top rated one. I can say first hand that they hate Strikers more than anything. I think they'd prefer you to carry Decis. So really, whos to say which is better?

[Skullhead]

I love the decimator and I'm VS, I took down 2 reavers last night when they were hovering. Those were my first to air kills with the decimator.

And also the decimator has at least a 5000 meter range or something because it can be used to scout in secondary mode.