Religion Question

[Mejwell]

Catholics are a type of Christian, in the same way chimpanzees are a type of primate. Your friend does know that Catholicism used to be the ONLY form of Christianity, right?

I'm agnostic, by the way.

[firecrackerNC]

sorry mistake,went back in history

[firecrackerNC]

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Who created the bacteria?

But why would god have to make bacteria to make us if hes so powerful,and that means he lied if we came from bacteria,what of Adam And Eve? See people like to just say well god has his ways or because he could only because they really have no clue and no one does

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
But why would god have to make bacteria to make us if hes so powerful,and that means he lied if we came from bacteria,what of Adam And Eve? See people like to just say well god has his ways or because he could only because they really have no clue and no one does

God doesn't have to make bacteria to make us, He made us directly, I simply entertained the idea to set up a point.

The point i was getting at is that you can trace our "evolution" through primates, then a rat of some sort, back to amphibians and eventually to fish and then back to single cell animals. Ok, for the sake of argument, lets say that that is true (I don't belive it to be) but the fact still remains that something had to create the primordial goo you say we crawled out of. The first law of Thermodynamics state that energy is a constant, meaning the amount of energy in the universe never increases or decreases, just changes forms. If the universe created itself, it would have to follow its own rules, therefore, it couldn't have created itself unless it had energy to start with, and if it did, who put that there? The way I see it, i may never convince you that Jesus is the son of God that came down to save us from sin, hell, and the grave, but it seems pretty obvious that some 3rd party, that is above the rules of the universe, had to have created the world. Even if God created the world as primordial goo and let it evolve (wich, i don't beleive, I beleive the creation of Man and the universe in 7 "days" (I put it in quotes because I don't know if that means 7, 24 hours days or if it is some form of symbolism) by God) it still had to be started up at some point in time.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

if Catholics and Christians aint the same, then Muslims and Islam aint the same. Dude, you need to make sure that guy doesn't take any more pills.:o

[Kaikou]

What really bugs me is that everything written in the bible is not possible to be proven, you have to just "have faith" that what is written is true. Man evolved from the monkey, you want proof? it's buried all over the world. Science can prove things, religion just tells you things and says "if you believe in god then you have to believe this". That is what bothers me about religion. That people will actually believe this stuff because they read it in a book that in no way can be proven legitimate. When you debate religion with a religious person, you can easily notice they are getting uneasy and nervous that they are talking about the subject of there being a god or not. This just enforces my point that humans created god and not the other way around. Even though they read that this god is all forgiving, they still fear him and act like good people so they can get into heaven when they die.

Which brings me to my next point. Humans are naturally scared of death because they don't know what happens when you die. So they trick themselves into thinking that there is an afterlife. Just so they feel at ease about what happens after death. What do I believe happens when you die? You die, and you rot. Just like every other organism in this universe. People don't think it is possible that you can just cease to exist, that you have a "soul" or some form of conscience that exists even after death. People think that because we've evolved to the point that we actually think about things like death and try to understand it, but no matter how hard we try, we can't. When bugs die, do you think they go to heaven? No, they just cease to exist. What difference is there between humans and bugs besides intelligence? We're both living things, we both die, we both cease to exist. The whole "soul" or "spirit" term was probably just created for the loved ones of people who die to believe the deceased are still with them somehow.

My conclusion. I believe religion is a fantasy world humans have created to be cushoned from the harsh existance that is reality. If they aren't strong enough to handle reality, they turn to religion to feel better about what they are and what will happen to them.

I must admit though, if man did create god and religion, they were pretty cleaver to scare people into being good, and put their minds at ease about the unknown at the same time...

Edit: forgot to add this...

It has been proven that organic matter can in fact blink into existance through a series of naturally occuring events.

Also, if god is perfect, and he created man, he obviously went wrong somewhere. Unless god enjoys watching humans kill each other over religion (religion is the base of all war, research the start of all the wars in history and you'll find that 99.9% were due to religious conflicts) and just watches humans fight as a form of some twisted enjoyment, he is obviously not perfect.

[Flammey]

Uh.....Yeah....this thread belongs in the Religion area of the forum.

And FYI, I have no religion, I only have beliefs. And I'm not telling what they are. Incidently, not to be antagonistic, but why do people NEED a place to worship from? If God made everything, then one should be able to worship anywhere, not have to go to church every Sunday, or what have you. There is no one place closer to God than the dirt you are standing on.

[firecrackerNC]

Well said Kaikou,I could'nt have put it better myself.

One of the reasons why there are so many different types of Christianity, Flammey. I myself agree with what you've said; you can talk to God wherever and whenever you need to. One may attend Church every Sunday, but that doesn't make them a good person.

ghost

PS: Kaikou, I don't mean to come off as if I'm talking down to you in anyway but I honestly and truely feel bad for you. There are some things even Science can't explain. I'm sure you think that miracles are some other form of fantasy, but for those of us who have experienced them, we know they aren't.

[Terran Sniper]

All beings that believe in the Holy Trinity and that Chist is the Savior and only Son of God, the Son of Man, are Christians. This includes Catholics. I know this because I myself am Ctholic and believe in nothing but God and Christ. Because Dumbass said that we are not christians, I will personally kick his face in, cut off his balls, fry them, and feed them to him. All with a smile on my face and in the name of God.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Kaikou
What really bugs me is that everything written in the bible is not possible to be proven, you have to just "have faith" that what is written is true. Man evolved from the monkey, you want proof? it's buried all over the world. Science can prove things, religion just tells you things and says "if you believe in god then you have to believe this". That is what bothers me about religion. That people will actually believe this stuff because they read it in a book that in no way can be proven legitimate. When you debate religion with a religious person, you can easily notice they are getting uneasy and nervous that they are talking about the subject of there being a god or not. This just enforces my point that humans created god and not the other way around. Even though they read that this god is all forgiving, they still fear him and act like good people so they can get into heaven when they die.

Which brings me to my next point. Humans are naturally scared of death because they don't know what happens when you die. So they trick themselves into thinking that there is an afterlife. Just so they feel at ease about what happens after death. What do I believe happens when you die? You die, and you rot. Just like every other organism in this universe. People don't think it is possible that you can just cease to exist, that you have a "soul" or some form of conscience that exists even after death. People think that because we've evolved to the point that we actually think about things like death and try to understand it, but no matter how hard we try, we can't. When bugs die, do you think they go to heaven? No, they just cease to exist. What difference is there between humans and bugs besides intelligence? We're both living things, we both die, we both cease to exist. The whole "soul" or "spirit" term was probably just created for the loved ones of people who die to believe the deceased are still with them somehow.

My conclusion. I believe religion is a fantasy world humans have created to be cushoned from the harsh existance that is reality. If they aren't strong enough to handle reality, they turn to religion to feel better about what they are and what will happen to them.

I must admit though, if man did create god and religion, they were pretty cleaver to scare people into being good, and put their minds at ease about the unknown at the same time...

Edit: forgot to add this...

It has been proven that organic matter can in fact blink into existance through a series of naturally occuring events.

Also, if god is perfect, and he created man, he obviously went wrong somewhere. Unless god enjoys watching humans kill each other over religion (religion is the base of all war, research the start of all the wars in history and you'll find that 99.9% were due to religious conflicts) and just watches humans fight as a form of some twisted enjoyment, he is obviously not perfect.

Ok first of all i am not catholic nor protestant, and i know that know one close to god is afraid to die at the right time which is a good thing. I believe that we evolved from monkeys but i also believe in god. They dont have to be serperate and the bible doest tell you what to do. It informs you and gives you the will to do whatever you want.

Which leads me to say, god created us with free will. WE chose to be in wars. Also we are different from bugs because we are created in the image and likeness of god. I dont expect 1/999 of you to understand that, because neither do i totally. But that is not important.

Its not always smart to voice your chirstian/conservative views in the internet full of liberal/atheists. But this is my opinion.

Oh and btw Flammey, you can worship god anywhere. The setting you are in though, may allow you to come closer to god than other settings. Why do you think so of the people closest to god wander the deserts.

Also, Catholics are a type of christianity duh.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

when i die, i'm gona be put into those frozen container things so i can be cloned.


bleh, otherwise good point Kaikou. its impossible to separate a shitload of water to make a path. its impossible to be a virgin-that didn't get sperm from the local *** hospital. Nor is it possible that you can take a piss when ur dead and make it rain all over teh world , unless that guy from Crossing Over can do that, its impossible......although i have seen some crazy shit in my life......so it does give me som reason to believe some of it. o and i'm luthern (sp?).....which is basicly catholics.....well kinda.....what is the difference?

[Terran Sniper]

I just figgered i should post my personal beliefs...

I believe we evolved from monkeys, its just the God created the first monkey and named him Adam.

Going to church is in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. He taught to pray in private, not in public.

God wants us to be happy, so whatever makes you happy, do it. Unless you get your kicks from killin, rapin, stealin, shit like that. then you can fucking go to hell (cause you are)

[Kaikou]

ghost, miracles are simply events we can't yet explain, science isn't perfected yet. Do we know where all the matter came from in the beginning of time that caused the big bang? Not yet, but that doesn't mean we never will. Science suggested the world was the center of the universe in earlier times, but that was corrected. Many "miracles" that have happened in the past have been scientifically solved. Could we clone animals and even humans a decade ago? No, but we can and do now. The entire human genome has been mapped and we now have the technology to genetically alter humans to whatever we please. From hair color to how big their penis is. Mankind has already achieved major parts the bible says god did. Created life, created earth. Humans can't create another earth you say? Within this century it is well within man's power to terraform planets. If man created a planet, planted life on it, and waited for that life to evolve, wouldn't man be considered a type of god? We will most likely see early stages of planet terraforming in our own life times. Now tell me, do you think if there is a god, he wouldn't mind humans cracking his life creation code and becoming a form of god themselves? (Damn as I type this I think more and more about evangelion...)

In closing:

HOW DO YOU KNOW JOHN LENNON DIDN'T JUST GO BACK IN TIME AND EJACULATE INTO THE PRIMORDIAL SOUP?!?!

It's a possibility ya know

[Mr1337Duck]

You have faith in your science, which is in itself a big ass plot hole. We have faith in our God. Yes, many wars have been based over religion. God watches out for us, but we have a great deal of control, too. And that is why we have wars. God gives us trial and error, to discover him for ourselves. God is not there to give us a free happy land, he tests us, by believing in his Son and doing good, you pass. The wicked get sent to hell, the Devil worshippers can go right down there and join him.

Go find your missing link, then we'll talk.