System of a Down: Toxicity - Page 2

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Spider

Green day, the mother of all alt bands is anti-war.

Most of them are.

Hmmm, all mainstream music has been put through one mold or another. Double-plus un-good

Hmmmm, good thing all the music I listen to is mainly by dead/broken-up bands. They are has-beens so I never find out what they think about controversial topics. Keep on rockin' Jimi hendrix and James Brown...

X-113 · 2003-09-17, 09:36 PM

SoaD=good
Korn=good
Marylin Manson=used to be good
Linkin Park=*see Revenants response*

P.S. I like SoaD's anti-war stuff. But then, I'm opposed to pointless, unprovoked invasions of foreign lands. Maybe it'd be better if we didnt have a monkey for a president? (No offense meant to monkeys)

Spider · 2003-09-17, 09:38 PM

Well green day is their last albums can be considered mainstream but before that. They were cool.... but now

I still consider it as one of the starters of the alt movement.

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by X-113
P.S. I like SoaD's anti-war stuff. But then, I'm opposed to pointless, unprovoked invasions of foreign lands. Maybe it'd be better if we didnt have a monkey for a president? (No offense meant to monkeys)

Well, I'm sure if you where an opressed iraqi civillian, you wouldn't see it as pointless. I'm also sure that if you where knowledgable of the cease fire ending the conflict in iraq of the 90s, you wouldn't see it as un-provoked. And yes, he is very monkey like in apperance, and i look very much like the bear from the bear in the big blue house, but that doesn't mean much now does it.

EDIT:

Well green day is their last albums can be considered mainstream but before that. They were cool.... but now

In my opinion, practically anything ou hear on the radio has probably been molded, on account that practically every individual in the US has been molded. Don't worry though, its good for the economy.

Spider · 2003-09-17, 09:51 PM

"If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but now -- oddly enough -- a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year's military budget of 330 billion dollars is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."

-William Blum

This is now their homepage text... William Blum is a great writer with great ideals and is associated with propaghandi in many levels.

So you can see how much of a meaning their texts carry

Here are the lyrics of one of their song... they may sound idiotic but when you listen and read you realise they have one hell of a message.

my father told me "son, it's futile to resist,
You can topple ideology but not the armies they enlist."
I questioned the intentions of the boy scouts chanting war.
"well that's the sound of freedom, son" he said.
(free to say no more.)
But wait a minute dad, did you actually say freedom?
Well, if you're dumb enough to vote,
You're fuckin dumb enough to believe him.
Cuz if this country is so goddam free.
Then i can burn your fucking flag wherever i damn well please,
And i will stick the fucking flag up your ass
I carried their anthem, convinces it was mine.
Rhymeless, unreasoned conjecture kept me in line.
But then i stood back and wondered what the fuck had they done to me.
Made accomplice to all that i'd promised i would never fucking be.
Never be.
You carry their anthem convinces that it's yours.
Invitation to honor. invitation to war.
Bette midler now assumes sainthood.
Romanticize murder for moral.
Tie a yellow ribbon round the oak tree my friend,
And "gee wally, that's swell!"
Fuck the troops to hell!

X-113 · 2003-09-17, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Well, I'm sure if you where an opressed iraqi civillian, you wouldn't see it as pointless. I'm also sure that if you where knowledgable of the cease fire ending the conflict in iraq of the 90s, you wouldn't see it as un-provoked. And yes, he is very monkey like in apperance, and i look very much like the bear from the bear in the big blue house, but that doesn't mean much now does it.

Yes, they were oppressed, but it is not our place to come in and say "you're bad. Go away" and try and set up our own governmental form. Yeah, in a way we're *trying* to do the right thing here, but its just NOT working. Even if he really is the evil dictator everyone believes he is (including myself) we still have no right to just waltz on in and kick him out.

Bush wants to kickstart the natural evolution of the Iraqi political system from a cruel dictatorship to something a whole lot better (for lack of a better word) But you just CAN'T rush something like that. If the Iraqi people are THAT unhappy with life, they WILL, in time revolt. But now, instead of kick starting this progression, Bush has increased the already boiling anti-Americanism in the Middle East. This during a time when New York is under an almost constant "orange alert" from terrorism.

So, in conclusion, Iraq is now under a short term solution which could end up being the complete downfall of the nation itself. Not to mention the impact on our nations society and economy. Hell, after this the entire U.N. might as well disband too.

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 09:56 PM

That song sounds like a majority of people in my school, they all want to rebel, but their thought processes are so chained to the "norm" that they can't even rebel right and end up rebeling in exactly the way everyone expects you to rebel (IE not being patriotic, just for the sake of it, Dyeing their hair all funny color and other normall forms of weirdness).

Spider · 2003-09-17, 10:04 PM

If your talking about Propaghandi you obviously never seen any of their shows!

The one I went to they burned an american and canadian flag... They are very very verrrrrrryyyyyy extreme when they make shows...

The latest banner for their show.

They don't rebel thru only lyrics. They attack the goverment in various ways. Example: Press attacks where they attack the goverment in the press (duh)

You know that shit called world summit... that's created for the ''good'' of other nations *cough* exploitation *cough*

They caused a riot with some of their fans and made a public speech after tearing down one of the fence... passing thru cops and standing on the stairs on the building with a microphone. Police did'nt even approach him after and when he made the speech itself.

So no changing hair color to feel rebellious for them.

In fact they plan on trying to get elected sometime. Atleast they could change something.

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 10:06 PM

Bush wants to kickstart the natural evolution of the Iraqi political system from a cruel dictatorship to something a whole lot better (for lack of a better word) But you just CAN'T rush something like that. If the Iraqi people are THAT unhappy with life, they WILL, in time revolt. But now, instead of kick starting this progression, Bush has increased the already boiling anti-Americanism in the Middle East. This during a time when New York is under an almost constant "orange alert" from terrorism.

Revolt with what? How are untrained civilians with little to no arms supposed to compete with an army complete with tanks, artillery, and other things of that nature. Thats like saying, oh, hey there is a bully beating the ever lovin' crap out of that kid over there, i could take the bully and put an end to this, but I'm just going to wait till that kid gets upset enough with it to do something himself.

So, in conclusion, Iraq is now under a short term solution which could end up being the complete downfall of the nation itself. Not to mention the impact on our nations society and economy.

I don't think anybody planned this too be a permant solution, pretty soon here the Iraqis will have to start self-governing again.

Hell, after this the entire U.N. might as well disband too.

Yes, they might as well, they are impotenet to change anything and would probably go bankrupt without us anyways.

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Spider
If your talking about Propaghandi you obviously never seen any of their shows!

The one I went to they burned an american and canadian flag... They are very very verrrrrrryyyyyy extreme when they make shows...

The latest banner for their show.

They don't rebel thru only lyrics. They attack the goverment in various ways. Example: Press attacks where they attack the goverment in the press (duh)

You know that shit called world summit... that's created for the ''good'' of other nations *cough* exploitation *cough*

They caused a riot with some of their fans and made a public speech after tearing down one of the fence... passing thru cops and standing on the stairs on the building with a microphone. Police did'nt even approach him after and when he made the speech itself.

So no changing hair color to feel rebellious for them.

In fact they plan on trying to get elected sometime. Atleast they could change something.

Just saying that in a lot of ways that song reminded me of the psuedo-inteluctual anti-everything idiots at my school who think they are righting the system by doing things that has been used in every rebelious kid TV sterotype for a long time. I honestly don't know much about the band it self, and don't care to learn much more.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, meant to edit my other post but hit the wrong button

X-113 · 2003-09-17, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Revolt with what? How are untrained civilians with little to no arms supposed to compete with an army complete with tanks, artillery, and other things of that nature. Thats like saying, oh, hey there is a bully beating the ever lovin' crap out of that kid over there, i could take the bully and put an end to this, but I'm just going to wait till that kid gets upset enough with it to do something himself.
I don't think anybody planned this too be a permant solution, pretty soon here the Iraqis will have to start self-governing again.
Yes, they might as well, they are impotenet to change anything and would probably go bankrupt without us anyways.

Has any revolution in the history of mankind been against less than impossible odds? The French and American revolutions, to name two. Yes, we had the advantage of the enemy being primarily overseas, but the French did not. And just FYI, not every damned soldier in Saddams army is 100% content with his rule. As a reoccuring rule in history, "when the people get pissed, the nation cannot last" this would have been true in Iraq, as well.

So of course the people arent going to aim at the military, no one is dumb enough to do that. But there is always a way to topple any government. Some are harder then others, but it is quite possible.

Smaug · 2003-09-17, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Its not a given. Thats saying that just because you play a certain style of music, you must behave a certain way...

I was replying to this:

Originally posted by Revenant
"Korn and NIN are good. Marilyn Manson is just meh"

Better put an "IMO" on that. I'm no big Manson fan at all, but no way is Korn better.

Dunno wtf you're talking about

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by X-113
Has any revolution in the history of mankind been against less than impossible odds? The French and American revolutions, to name two. Yes, we had the advantage of the enemy being primarily overseas, but the French did not. And just FYI, not every damned soldier in Saddams army is 100% content with his rule. As a reoccuring rule in history, "when the people get pissed, the nation cannot last" this would have been true in Iraq, as well.

So of course the people arent going to aim at the military, no one is dumb enough to do that. But there is always a way to topple any government. Some are harder then others, but it is quite possible.

The French and American revelution where different. For instance, what was the mainstay of the British army? Muskets. What was the mainstay of the Colonial army? Muskets. Its a little different fighting musket to musket vs the unarmed/lightly armed Iraqi civilians rebeling against tanks, artilery and chemical weapons. Also, in neither of the examples you gave was the gavernment a cruel, ultra-oppressive, violents dictatorship that toutures you family members in horrible ways if you so much as speak out against them. Lets not forget that Iraq has gased whole villages in the past do to them trying to revolt.

You are probably right, eventually Iraq would have fallen, after the death of him and his sons, and several years and lives later it might have fallen, or it might still be going strong. Either way, I don't think you would be singing the same tune if you where the one under constant fear and threat of death or worse.

EDIT: Sorry, i thought you where replying to me. Just a misunderstanding.

Mr1337Duck · 2003-09-17, 10:32 PM

The SOAD guys have family in the Middle East, naturally they want to keep their relatives safe. We do our best, and though it's unfortunate, sometimes innocents get killed, too. But we must also look at the bright side, a people have been freed from Saddam's wrath. Any guy who's son rapes a woman at her wedding and then kills her, the groom, and the family has to be removed. Simple as that.

MilitantB0B · 2003-09-17, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
The SOAD guys have family in the Middle East, naturally they want to keep their relatives safe. We do our best, and though it's unfortunate, sometimes innocents get killed, too. But we must also look at the bright side, a people have been freed from Saddam's wrath. Any guy who's son rapes a woman at her wedding and then kills her, the groom, and the family has to be removed. Simple as that.

Indeed.