Airlift, or was it Les.. yeah Lex.. this is for you..

[Navaron]

Is there a social injustice? (the numbers are on my side on this one)


I'd like to see those numbers. It's not a tangible or measurable thing. I think it's the clashing of culture with too many media outlets trying to get ratings by playing off of rascism.

[mistled]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
This boils down to two main things. Both of which we seem to disagrgee on.

Is there a social injustice? (the numbers are on my side on this one)

If there is a social injustice should the government correct it? (Like I have said a number of times, a survival of the fittest view is fine, but it is a bit too cut throat for me.)

You got the second question wrong. It's not a question of whther or not they should correct it. It's a question of whther or not they can. The government can never force anyone to believe any certain thing, no matter how correct that thing is. The government can't make me like people of all races if I choose not to. It just isn't possible.

[Lexington_Steele]

ROFL is being a member of the Republican National Convention a requirement for being in BOHICA.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
You got the second question wrong. It's not a question of whther or not they should correct it. It's a question of whther or not they can. The government can never force anyone to believe any certain thing, no matter how correct that thing is. The government can't make me like people of all races if I choose not to. It just isn't possible.

We are not talking about making people not racist. Social equality means more than ending racism.

We are talking about a colored person having the the same chance for success that a white person has. Right now, a white person is more likely to find success than a colored person. This is not necessarily due to racism taking place today. This has alot more to do with the current economical situation and social conditions that the different races are in.

[mistled]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
We are talking about a colored person having the the same chance for success that a white person has.

EXACTLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The key word there being 'same'. AA as it stands right now is a program about giving blacks a 'better' chance than whites. Don't even bother saying that it isn't true, because AA takes away a white's chance of success. If a white has no chance, and a black must be hired or given a scholarship or whatever, then there is nothing equal about it. Nothing.

You talk about giving people the same chances and then reduce their chances to the color of their skin. You have the chance to be black and get this scholarship, or you have the chance to be white and get nothing. Hmm... I guess it's all just chance then, isn't it??

[mistled]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
ROFL is being a member of the Republican National Convention a requirement for being in BOHICA.

No, but being a damn genius is.

[Airlift]

[MrVicchio]

MMMKay Lex, You speak of Numbers, lets see your numbers... cmon man, you are basing your WHOLE arguement on numbers that you have yet to show, but claim they uneqivocaly (sp?? I suk ) prove your point. Lets see some.. w8.. I think I am gonna fire first on the numbers thing.. you better beat me to it here, cause I think you ain't gonna like what I dig up.

[Navaron]

hehehe, vics the man....

and he's off..............

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
EXACTLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The key word there being 'same'. AA as it stands right now is a program about giving blacks a 'better' chance than whites. Don't even bother saying that it isn't true, because AA takes away a white's chance of success. If a white has no chance, and a black must be hired or given a scholarship or whatever, then there is nothing equal about it. Nothing.

You are missing the key. We are not looking on an individual level here, our scope is society wide. With socio-economical conditions as they are, whites have a better chance to find success then blacks, period.

AA is meant to even out that discrepancy.

There seems to be the need for me to spell it out for you. If you are born white you are more likely to find yourself in a favorable situation that a black person. Being in a more favorable situation, you are more likely to find success. This inequality is a reality.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
MMMKay Lex, You speak of Numbers, lets see your numbers... cmon man, you are basing your WHOLE arguement on numbers that you have yet to show, but claim they uneqivocaly (sp?? I suk ) prove your point. Lets see some.. w8.. I think I am gonna fire first on the numbers thing.. you better beat me to it here, cause I think you ain't gonna like what I dig up.

I'll see what I can do for you . However I do remeber, that in your last post you made last night, you promised me some numbers and I have yet to see them.

[Hamma]

h8 politics

[Lexington_Steele]

I have it already, here it comes...

[Tobias]

AA is a great program for people who are tring to sober up, dont disc it.

[MrVicchio]

So far, I have yet to finish wading through all the NAACP reports.. I am looking for NON-BIASED analyis..

BTW what numbers where we tlaking about, I might have said that then gone to bed...