What is agility armor? - Page 2

BLuE_ZeRO · 2003-01-17, 02:17 PM

I'm thinking something along the lines of that should be a dev question Hamma

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-17, 03:15 PM

I just hope there is a significant reason to actually use the agile exosuit (a noticable speed difference between it and the reinforced, and a significant number of vehicles that can't be piloted by the reinforced.)

Conceiveable, it will just become a dummy cert that is a prerequisite for getting the reinforced.

Kalam · 2003-01-17, 03:39 PM

If only normal and agile armor could use the Bolt Driver it would be a reason to use it.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-17, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Kalam
If only normal and agile armor could use the Bolt Driver it would be a reason to use it.

I can guarentee that the reinforced armor can carry the bolt driver. In fact, someone in reinforced armor can carry two bolt drivers if they really want.

�io · 2003-01-17, 03:56 PM

I would hope and LOVE it though if they make bolt driver (i.e. sniping) an agile armor only job, having a sniper with a rocket launcher just seems overpowered to me.

Warborn · 2003-01-17, 04:37 PM

^

Agreed.

Moloch · 2003-01-17, 04:41 PM

An agile could pop out of a tank with a minigun too. You're right about the peripheral vision thing, hadn't thought o' that. The agile's visor curves around, whilst the reinforce ddoesn't (at leats in NC). Still, why call it agile if it wasn't faster or more maneuverable? alzo, if you use the peripheral argument, then I can use the armor weight argument. Although, I doubt they will restrict your peripheral vision cu you can't move your eyes without your entire body. I liked Outwars, where even though you were just an armored person, you could move your torso independently of your body, to a certain degree. also, in hitman you could switch to an "Eyes move only" mode which was cool.

Warborn · 2003-01-17, 06:18 PM

The agile's visor curves around, whilst the reinforce ddoesn't (at leats in NC).

All Reinforced armor has severely restricted vision, in a real-world sense. In-game they wouldn't change anything though, as it wouldn't make the game any better. The Agile armors on the other hand have wide-open visors/goggles.

An agile could pop out of a tank with a minigun too.

Yes, but he'd have half the armor value that the Reinforced guy does, and he wouldn't have a minigun AND an anti-armor weapon too (Reinforced has 2 weapon slots). Then again, the "heavy weapon" for each Faction may be restricted to Reinforced armor. I can't imagine anyone slinging the minigun like you would a rifle, and the picture of the Terran guy in Reinforced with a minigun didn't show him with any other weapon on his back.

Still, why call it agile if it wasn't faster or more maneuverable?

Maybe because it's agile in the sense that it can pilot or use any piece of equipment in the game. Not jumping from tree to tree agile, but comparatively agile.

I'd just like to point out, though, that you'd have to have a huge speed difference between Agile and Reinforced armor if you were looking for them to be roughly equivalent in combat. This isn't Tribes, so there is no jumpjet factor. The Reinforced would have to be ungodly slow, or the Agile incredibly fast, to make up for the difference. I'm not trying to argue that Agile shouldn't be faster than Reinforced, just that it shouldn't be faster to the degree that it would make fighting one very difficult if you were in Reinforced armor, to the point where your extra armor doesn't really make much of a difference.

Dragoon999 · 2003-01-17, 07:07 PM

From what you guys are saying it seems to me that you begin at standard, then you use cert points to get agile, then once you have agile you get medium, and then once you get medium you get MAX. Is it like that, or do you just get the certs directly to the armor you want? Sorry im new to PS but it looks damn sweet

Zatrais · 2003-01-17, 07:10 PM

Regarding the empire heavy assault weapons, I got a hunch that they will take up 2 rifle slots... *shrug* just makes sense to me that a damn minigun should use up more room than a cycler, and well packing a minigun into the cockpit of a mosquito is going to be hard to explain =P

Edit:
Dragoon999: each type of armor is aquired indivudually whitout prior requierments, don't have to have agile to get reinforced.

SandTrout · 2003-01-17, 07:13 PM

Agile will probably be faster than reinforced, but not enough to make it just as good in combat. The speed will porbably make it more effective as a hit-and-run or scout than reinforced, while the more limited inventory, 1 rifle, and lower armor make it less effective in a combat situation. Especialy when you're not flying around in a jet-pack. The light armors in Tribes were arguably the most effective fighters because they could avoid being hit so much due to jetpacks. When you're just strafeing and runing in an open field, speed makes less of a difference.

Warborn, your arguement about agile refering to ability to use equipment doesn't apply. Agile refers to freedom of movent in your limbs. If it just allowed for more equipment use, it would make more sense to name it "Dexterouse exo-suit", or simply "light exo-suit".

most likely there is a reason for choseing any one armor over another(except standard) even if you had unlimited certs.

IE: Rein over MAX or agile because its faster than a MAX(probably), more armor than an agile, and can carry a more varried set of weapons. It also can probably pilot/drive some of the vehichles. You also cant use equipment as a MAX. Makes a good general infantryman.

MAX because of sheer firepower and armor, plus you have the greatest AA, AT, or AI abbility of all infantry. Makes a good support unit.

Agile over rein or MAX because it can pilot anything, can have a decent weapon, and is the fastest(probably) infantry in the game. Makes a good scout/pilot.

The armors are for different styles of play, because there should be a reason to choose one over the others at different times.

BTW, I've seen screeshots of Agile and Standard armors useing chainguns and jackhamers, but you have to use a lot of certs to get a tank, agile, and heavy assault. They would probably also have repair cert and/or hacking.

SandTrout · 2003-01-17, 07:15 PM

Also, check the screenshots, Heavy-assault weapons just take up 1 rifle slot. There is one shot of a TR Rein with a out and a sweeper-shotgun on his back.

Moloch · 2003-01-17, 10:55 PM

I basically agree with sandy.

Warborn · 2003-01-18, 12:33 AM

You don't know whether heavy weapons count as one rifle slot or two, even if you saw it in a pre-Beta screenshot. I'd put money that every heavy weapon -- missile launcher to minigun -- takes two rifle slots.

SandTrout · 2003-01-18, 01:06 AM

we shall see.