Special Assault Must Go - Page 2

dscytherulez · 2003-12-13, 02:56 PM

I disagree with this, SA is fine. Its supposed to have something for every situation. Even though i get pwned in my maxes by decis 24/7 i still think SA is fine just the way it is.

BDMJ · 2003-12-13, 03:10 PM

SA is fine. The AV weapons need to be ungimped so they are a superior alternative to the Deci. The maxes are balanced with the deci as it stands.

The rest of the ideas are silly as well. How about we take one of the most abusive certs in the game and make it better! So instead of having to make a decision with HA and SA we give them both! For the next set of revisions lets just take every cert and lump them together in one fucking gigantic bundle for 23 cert points! That way all uniqueness on the battlefield is completely lost.

delta · 2003-12-13, 03:17 PM

They are fine and realistic the way they currently are.

Doppler · 2003-12-13, 03:32 PM

SA is not meant to be "Jack of all trades" it's meant to be the weapons that dont fit into other chatagories. The decimator is by definition an antiarmor weapon. Therefore it should go in antivehicle. By your logic, why should you be able to spend 3 points, get a weapon thats great against maxs/vehicles one thats great for launching off walls and down corridors around walls. The only weapon capable of killing troops inside vehicles as well as pacifying areas. A weapon that is decent against armor and gives a nice closs range splatting power. Where as if i spend three difrent points I get one singular empire specific weapon that is mostly worthless indoors.

Doppler · 2003-12-13, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by delta

They are fine and realistic the way they currently are.

The R word is a bad word on this forum, seriously how can you say that a cert loadout is "REALISTIC" honestly what do those weapons have in common for training purposes. What magical quality does the deci have that makes a guy used to firing strikers or phoenix's unable to point click boom on a difrent rocketlauncher, yet relates it to a gernade launcher.

BadAsh · 2003-12-13, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by BDMJ

SA is fine. The AV weapons need to be ungimped so they are a superior alternative to the Deci. The maxes are balanced with the deci as it stands.

The rest of the ideas are silly as well. How about we take one of the most abusive certs in the game and make it better! So instead of having to make a decision with HA and SA we give them both! For the next set of revisions lets just take every cert and lump them together in one fucking gigantic bundle for 23 cert points! That way all uniqueness on the battlefield is completely lost.

Actually, not that I disagree with you, but the uniqueness in the battle field would still be dictated by available equipment (Got a tech base? Got equipment or vehicle modules?), empire specific equipment, and inventroy limitations (just because you would be certed in everything does not mean you are equiped/diving/gunning everything at the same time. choices choices...).

So the variety would be in what gear/vehicle you choose... the certs are player limitations to help encourage teamwork... a squad of 10 only needs 1 advanced hacker... so that frees up (in theory) 5 cert points for everyone else... only 1 person can purchase/drive a tank so the gunner(s) have 3 certs free... etc...

BDMJ · 2003-12-13, 04:19 PM

I know people would still get different loadouts, but it would enable any player to play any role. There have to be decisions for the game to be interesting

Kikinchikin · 2003-12-13, 04:50 PM

you move the deci to AV- i quit

lol jk. Seriously that would suck balls, because now you can have all 3 maxs for 5 points. There are more vanu maxes than grunts! the Deci is the only way we have a chance, because striker and lancer and even phoenix are too gimped.

Lonehunter · 2003-12-13, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Veteran

Decimator's completely inappropriate placement outside of AV, for one.

Also, a 3 cert skill that nets you 4 weapons is a bit... odd.

edit: this change would drive the number of vehicles way up, also. The killer NC template, at present, has no room for vehicles.

So, making it easier to get more AV weapons will make the vehicle population rise?

SilverLord · 2003-12-13, 09:31 PM

Decimater to AV, Leave the Radiator, Rocklet Rifle, and Thumper to SA but make it 4 points.

Flammey · 2003-12-13, 10:10 PM

Blah blah blah.

"She goes in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out,
Cause she's playing all night,
and the music's alright,
Momma's got a squeeze box, daddy never sleeps at night."

There, that's my one cent towards this conversation.

Jagd · 2003-12-14, 01:01 AM

Leave Special Assault alone! With Medium Assault, you have an extremely versatile 5 cert self defense combo. If anything, why not allow Anti-Vehicular players to use the Decimator as well?

FightForFreedom · 2003-12-14, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Cauldren Borne
All those SA guys (me!) will be angry if they move deci's to AV. SA provides a good round mix of weapons, you got an AP weapon (Thumper), an AV weapon (Deci), and a scarier than shit gun (Rocklet) (how many times have you flyboys run from a barage of rocklet fire, not knowing what the hell it was? c'mon, admit it). SA is a Jack-of-all-trades cert, is can do everything, but excells at nothin', without practice. If you take away the deci's it looses that jack-of-all-trades appeal.

EXACTLY. That's exactly how I would put it.

TeraHertz · 2003-12-14, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sentrosi

The Decimator is the balance to the MAX unit in game. If I can go get a MAX cert for 3 points, why the hell can't I get a Decimator for 3 points?

if it was moved to HA as he suggests, you would still get a deci for 3 points.
The point is, 3 points for two mss kill weapons, a serious anti armour weapon, and a strategic weapon (radiator) is a pretty damn good deal.

Veteran · 2003-12-14, 04:28 AM

SA excells at nothing? That's hard to believe when the best AV weapon in the game isn't in the AV category. Decimator is also the best anti-MAX and anti-generator weapon. It also kills spawn tubes fastest. And base turrets. It's 1200 damage for crying out loud. It takes two boxes of Striker ammo to equal that, and you know how big those are. You also know how long it takes to fire them, reload, and fire some more. Way longer than three shots with the Decimator.

Decimator bleaches the empire flavors. It's ubiquitous at this point, and forces people to choose it over their empire AV. Any skill that makes you a gimp for not taking it is overpowered or undercosted.