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View Poll Results: Human Shields, should we bomb em, or avoid those areas in any comapaign?
They are doing it willingly, aiding the enemy, let em die for thier cause! 8 61.54%
We are more civilized then that, and should avoid killing innocent ppl that are just expressing thier views. 1 7.69%
No comment, I do not know the situation enough to have an opinion. 4 30.77%
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Old 2003-01-23, 07:53 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Originally posted by Unregistered
So you think it's better to let Saddam slowly kill off his own people then us maybe killing a few in order to save even more?

You personify flawed logic.
I am just saying that the presence of civilians should be taken into account when military strikes are planned.

In your post you are insinuating that a signifiact goal of attacks on Iraq is to save the Iraqi people from Saddam. Isn't that particular purpose defeated by killing civilians?

(btw, Saddam mistreating his people has very little to do with the reason that we are going into Iraq. That would fall into the realm of invading a countries Soverign rights)

If there is a strategic target and no civilians present, take it out.

If there is a strategic target and civilians are present, the military should revaluate the necessity of the target and weight it against the live of the civilians. The target might be of such importance that it still need to be taken out and civilians might die, however I believe that our nation and our military have a moral obligation to make that extra evaluation.

Taking human life, especially when they are not military, is not something that should be taken lightly.
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:07 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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Great job of Describing how the U.S. Military already opperates.

What exactly was your complaint again?

My Bitch is about the idiot Canadians and Americans that went to Iraq expressly for the purpose of standing in the line of fire. If your going to stand between 2 opposing Armys that are at war you are declaring yourself a combatant then you need to be shot.

Natural Selection and all.

If your minding your own bussiness trying to live your life peacefully and the crazy Dictator that runs your country orders his chicken shit Army to hide in your home then yes every measure possible should be taken to ensure your saftey.

Remember. Your talking about the United States of America here. We have not ever gone out and slaughtered inocent people.
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:13 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:16 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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Are you trying to piss me off?
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:17 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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I'm starting to think we should just nuke Iraq and get it over with, i'm tired of hearing about it.
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:25 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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Originally posted by Unregistered
Are you trying to piss me off?
Do you mean me? If so then no, I am definately not trying to piss you off.

I am just saying that we shouldn't just blow away civilians cause they are in the way like one of the poll answers was suggesting.
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:31 PM   [Ignore Me] #22
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Who said Civilians??? I was reffereing to Human Shields, they fall under the catagory of Target of Oppurtunity because they decided to get in the way... I don't see the big deal here... your free to do what you want to do in this world, and If you choose to sit ona strategic target in the middle of a war.. you pay the price.. which is a front row seat to seeing what a cruise missle looks like on final approach...

Really, life has consequences, and if you choose to get in the way of a war.. you are gonna get run over... your problem..
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Old 2003-01-23, 08:49 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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I think the problem is that people have the misconception that America wants to use it's army all the time. We don't want to go to war. However, we want another terrorist attack even less.

As press concious as today's military is, I strongly doubt they'd just run roughshod over those morons. It just wouldn't happen. Besides, those retards could only stay out there so long, our boys can stay up allll week.
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Old 2003-01-23, 09:23 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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Nav i do believe the majority of american people do not want war anymore than the rest of the world. However you have to admit there are quite a few americans that are very vocal about wanting war including your own leader.
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Old 2003-01-23, 09:25 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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It's not so much we want war, its more we want to make sure a sadistic madman doesn't set off a nuke in our backyard.
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Old 2003-01-23, 09:35 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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Yeah that's a given i just worry about how it's done, it's like your mom always says violence isn't the way, granted with that wacko it's probably the only way but i just worry that the US gov. might not be trying to hard to solve this peaceful and concentrating more on doing it by force.
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Old 2003-01-23, 10:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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Originally posted by Dio
Yeah that's a given i just worry about how it's done, it's like your mom always says violence isn't the way, granted with that wacko it's probably the only way but i just worry that the US gov. might not be trying to hard to solve this peaceful and concentrating more on doing it by force.
He has had 8+ years. How much more peaceful can we get? No I don't a war if we can help it. The econ sucks right now, and will only get worse with a war. I don't want to get laid off like a few of my friends, and not be able to find a job that pays 75% of my current one.

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Old 2003-01-24, 03:32 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Our boys will get the job done if need be. Whether it be through peace talks which seem to be doing nothing at this moment, covert ops, or a public war. If someone is stupid enough and willing standing in the way of a bullet or a target getting taking out that is there own decession. No one put a gun to there head and forced them to do it, at least not on our side. As we all know or should knows that the US military does everything possible not to take the lives of civilians but, if you are on a battle field or are in a hostile area and willing step infront of a military force then you willing become a target of oppertunity by a stray bullet. Just like willing steping out in the middle of heavy traffic at rush hour, your asking to get creamed all over the pavement or that person is messed up in the head some how for doing something that idiotic. If you act that stupid and get killed it's that persons fault and there fault alone. Sorry if that seems hartless but it's reality and it's a cruel world.
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Old 2003-01-24, 03:52 PM   [Ignore Me] #29
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Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Do you mean me?
No.

I ment Incompetent, but that was yesterday and I am in a better mood today.l
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