Phoenix range = 250m - Page 2

Queensidecastle · 2004-01-20, 12:12 PM

No thanks, Phoenix is already Godly enough

Onizuka-GTO · 2004-01-20, 04:02 PM

yes. Don't complain about the Phoenix.

If you have to, then i will start moaning about wanting the Lancer to have some sort of self-guidance targeting, longer range and more hitting power.

Rbstr · 2004-01-20, 05:05 PM

I personaly thing all the AV wepons suck equaly, non eof them are very good at anything, with the exceptions being pheonix being able to hit(not nessicaraly kill) hidden things, or things at great range, and the lancer ability to take out maxes at range, they all nee dot do alot more damage to tanks and stuff(not air they are not AA weps)

The pheonix is too slow firing to do much damage even though it has more power, the lancer isn't strong enough, the stiker is the same, i don't give a shit if its the best AV wepon in the game becaue its still not effective at killing armored things, being the best of AV isn't saying much becasue AV sucks so much. It was too powerfull but now they nerfed it too far.

Sputty · 2004-01-20, 05:18 PM

The problem with AV is it's not used as an emergency weapon, which can damage tanks heavily, but only at close range, like most handheld AT weapons are used. They're really only used as self defense but in game people get AV and expect to be able to go one on one with a tank.

Onizuka-GTO · 2004-01-20, 06:11 PM

So, your saying we should use AV only as a last alternative?

KIAsan · 2004-01-20, 09:08 PM

Have to agree with Rbstr on this one. All AV are bad verse vehicles. Kinda funny they call them AV, when their ownly true purpose is Anit-max. Guess they should rename them AM instead.

I have posted before, and will do it again, buff AV damage to Deci level. But, reduce damage to maxes and soft targets. That would make most vehicle drivers stop and think, before charging in solo against infantry. I don't want an uber AV, but I think drivers should be a little fearful going into battle. As it stands now, I see a group of ground troops, I'm going to charge them with the tank, cause I know we will own them all. The only thing I really fear in my prowler are other tanks and reavers.

GreyFlcn · 2004-01-20, 09:18 PM

The only thing stronger against a MAX indoors than a Phoenix is a Decimator.

Phoenix kills a MAX faster than a Comet when using alt mode.

GreyFlcn · 2004-01-20, 09:20 PM

With the ability to stay behind cover 70% of that time period to boot.

Rbstr · 2004-01-20, 10:10 PM

Pheonix indoors, that person is a fool, the HUGE time it takes to put out the 3 round required to kill a max even in dumbfire make it an impossiblity to do it to all but the noobiest of noobs, But it is very helpfull for people the have otehr wepons, hit the Max with on missle and it makes that max a hell of alot easier to kill.

Now outside its good, but only at med to long ranges becasue at close ranges you get owned, and the dumb firs isn't very accurate.

GreyFlcn · 2004-01-20, 11:34 PM

Bull.

Phoenix has higher speed and acceleration than a Decimator.
Of course your not going to be using the primary mode indoors.
Nor are you going to be standing out in the open the whole time, unless you plan on getting killed.

Only signifigant difference is you need to fire three times instead of twice.

Spee · 2004-01-20, 11:41 PM

I generally expend my decimator within a few moments of my getting it, due to NC and VS loving thier MAXes so much. So, I have a backup Anti-MAX weapon: Frag Grenade Launcher.

I had to go head-on with a VS Quasar MAX with a frag launcher today. I killed him, but with 70 health, no armor, and sans my 3 medpacks.

Mudflap · 2004-01-21, 12:41 AM

Anyone using a Pheonix indoors must simply have no other antimax weapon on them. The decimator owns maxes indoors, and to say that a pheonix kills a max faster than any other AV weapon might be true, but only because the other two empires would have to reload once. The Pheonix user has to reload 3 times. Saying that the Pheonix is better indoors than the other AV weapons is kinda pointless since the decimator makes all AV weapons seem useless indoors.

To state this once again. You can do more damage in a given period of time with the other AV weapons. Alt fire mode on the Pheonix is almost like firing a decimator, except a little faster and alot less damaging. I have a Lancer user, and in certain situations, I would much rather have a lancer than a Pheonix.

GreyFlcn · 2004-01-21, 12:57 AM

Phoenix is weaker than the decimator. We know that.
Phoenix is a better anti-max weapon indoors than anything besides Decimator.
Pheonix is a better outdoor anti-max weapon than even the Decimator itself.

Lancer is good to have in rare situations, quite unlike the Phoenix.

Is it any wonder why 1 in 5 NC have Phoenix?

SandTrout · 2004-01-21, 01:50 AM

Lancer is the most under-utilized weapon in the game, hands down, though it seems to be makeing something of a comeback recently.

The Lancer is the best AM weapon indoors besides the Decie. Why? because it only takes one magazine to kill a max with a Lancer. No reload required. And as much as people bitched about the Lancer's Ammo shortage, it still has the greatest damage potential of all the AV weapons(even the decie, supriseingly enough).

I truely belive that the AV weapons are balanced between each other. You can change targets with a striker as well, asumeing your new target is a "hard" one. Phoenix AI damage is realy pretty negligable.

Veteran, if you bring up the meta-game as a majorly overpowering factor one more time, I swear I'm going to pester hamma until one of us gets banned. The max range of a Phoenix flying streight(no guidence) is 250 meters, well within normal visual range. The stiker and lancer still pop out signifiganly higher DPS than the phoenix with the disadvantage of reviealing yourself to the line of fire, but without looseing control of your avatar.

On a side note: Each empire has it's weapon that can reasonably engage enemies that are behind cover. The TR have the Pounder MAX, the VS have the Lasher, and the NC have the phoenix. Pounder can fire around corners, laster ignores the most common cover used by infantry(Trees and those wide spots in hallways), and the phoenix can go over walls and hills.

Edit: The reason 1 in 5 NC have the Phoenix is because it's fun as hell to hear the enemy scream after you hit them.

GreyFlcn · 2004-01-21, 02:07 AM

Yeh, and the JH has higher DPS than the MCG at long range.
While true, it doesn't mean anything once you take into account

Same goes for Lancer versus Phoenix.

Indoors, Phoenix near identical to Lancer in kill speed.
Two 3 Second reloads
Six 1 Second charge-fires

Although I'd love to see you try to use the Lancer indoors. It's sheer inaccuracy while moving, and charge up time make it miserable to use. Worse than handgrendes.

A Lancer user would have to sit down and crouch infront of the Max the whole damn time just to be dead even. Where as a Phoenix only needs to be exposed three times for as long as it takes you to pull the trigger.