Rifleman Cert - Page 2

hex222 · 2004-08-23, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by MrPaul

So, the better a player it is, the easier we make it for them? :/ Nop.

yeah, i know, and, as a n00b, i'm against the idea of making things easier for those who have been playing for ages, but its lifelike, and older players can get the opposite effect, just like in real life...

EarlyDawn · 2004-08-23, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by JetRaiden

no way, for a couple reasons.

1. Everyone would get it.
2. It modifies the weapons, causing severe balance issues.

Truth.

_-Gunslinger-_ · 2004-08-23, 04:11 PM

First off the 50% is WAY, and I mean REALLY fucking way, to high. Secondly it should effect the bloom. Not the COF directly. Afterall I dont see how breathing and how hard one squezes the trigger would effect built in accuracly problems, nor would it cause a rifle to kick less. Also this would not effect HA at all. Sorry but acurate MGC's or Lashers would just cause extream inbalances. Oh and cancel the whole implant thought. Post BR stuff maby. But an implant? Lets be realistic.

My reasoning for it being post BR is really simple. Your argument states that your soldier would have an implant to do what a highly trained soldier would. Why not make it so that a highly trained soldier does what a highly trained soldier does?

Fix DL first btw, then think about adding content.

ChewyLSB · 2004-08-23, 04:23 PM

Holding your breath while using a rifle wouldn't effect CoF bloom, it would be the muzzle shake. Since PlanetSide doesn't actually have any muzzle shake (think about when you're holding a rifle, if you hold you're breath, you'll hold it much morestill). CoF bloom is the representation of the weapon's kick, and since there is no representation of a person's breathing in PlanetSide...

hex222 · 2004-08-23, 04:28 PM

it doesnt matter as both change the CoF, you would only need to decrease the weapons CoF while using it...

Toimu · 2004-08-24, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

...Secondly it should effect the bloom. Not the COF directly. Afterall I dont see how breathing and how hard one squezes the trigger would effect built in accuracly problems, nor would it cause a rifle to kick less. Also this would not effect HA at all...

When your non-firing elbow in planted, breathing in makes the muzzle move down, exhaling makes the muzzle move up. If your non-firing elbow isn�t planted, the muzzle moves the opposite direction. If you jerk the trigger, you will pull the rifle slightly to the left or right. You should squeeze the trigger, and the rifle firing should surprise you. And of course being off your site picture will make all the difference.

Ex:
When firing a M16A2, if the muzzle moves 1mm, that equals ~1cm @ 25m, and ~10cm @ 250m.

At sniper school they teach you how to fire on and off pulse. Meaning the pulse of your trigger finger will affect your trigger squeeze. But only @ > 800m will you see it.

CoF isn�t do to bloom because CoF is calculated by if your kneeling, standing, running, jumping, firing single shots, burst, or full auto. Even if CoF were calculated by both, this would decrease it some.

I think it should be an implant and use stamina so everyone can use it. It wouldn�t benefit just those who have played the game a long time and are good enough to get it. This isn�t a RPG.

Lartnev · 2004-08-24, 08:37 AM

It's not a simulation either :|

Polgara · 2004-08-24, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by ChewyLSB

Instead of just simply reducing CoF, I would say adding actual rifles to this game. As far as I can tell, the only true weapon classes that PlanetSide was missing are Squad Support Weapons and unscoped rifles. I was actually thinking about this the other day.

So basically, I would add a Rifles Cert, which doesn't have any prerequisites. Then, I would add these rifles:

Terran Republic Slicer: 7 Round Clip. This is a semi-automatic rifle. 4x zoom. However, it must be dry reloaded. (Inspiration M1 Garand)

New Conglomerate Eagle: 5 Round Clip. Fed by a 5 round stripper clip. If it is not dry reloaded, any shots left in the clip will be discarded. Does more DPS, but is bolt action. 4x zoom. (Inspiration: KAR 98k)

Vanu Soveignty Reaper: Fed by 5 individual rounds. Can be reloaded an any time withotu penalty, and the reload is interruptable. When push comes to shove, the Reaper has a secondary fire where any rounds left are immediately dispensed but with a high CoF, this is meant for close combat. (Inspiration: None)

That's what I would do, anyways...

EDIT: Oh, while we're add it, I would make the Sniper Rifle have a prerequisite of the Rifles cert. Basically, Rifles are better for long range, while the Medium Assault weapons are better for close range (since I think of them as SMG's)

Later on, in another edit, I'll post my ideas for an Assault Rifle certification, which has rifles and medium assault as prereq's.

I like the idea about the Rifle's Cert, and that it would be a prerequisite for Sniping. As Medium Assault, Heavy Assault, Special Assault and Anti-Vehicle are close to medium range weapons, it didn't make much sense that Sniper came with a prerequisite for Sniping, this being a long range weapon. So what I was thinking was, if we expand on that cert, and add other certs with a prerequisite of Rifles, and have this for the people who would rather have long range weapons than short range ones.

These weapons would probaly have the same kind of accuracy as the sniper rifle now, as too not make them so overpowered at a range where the shorter range weapons couldn't return fire so easily, it would be a bloodbath otherwise

EarlyDawn · 2004-08-24, 10:38 AM

TBH, I'm really not a huge fan of anything beyond your character's posture changing COF/Accuracy. Certainly not a cert, and I don't think I even like the idea for a merit commendation.

Biohazzard56 · 2004-08-24, 11:27 AM

I agree with Sputty, Ive had this idea for along time that Sniping should be renamed to Marksman and be packaged with some real rifles. That would making Sniping worth it, 3 Cert Points is high for one weapon, think of what you could get for 3 cert points. Here is my idea.

The cert would be called Marksman, it would still have the bolt driver but also a high powered semi/burst firing rifle. They all would be empire specific rifles, the Terran one would be similar to the Battle Rifle in Halo 2 with a secondary 3 round burst (4x Scope). The Vanu rifle would be traditional rifle something along the lines of a smaller calibur M-14. (With an AV Option) The New Conglomerate rifle would be basically a Garand with 8 round cartridge/magazine. It would look nothing like a garand though, it would have a slower RoF than the Garand but it would have a very powerful round, like a 9.37mm (thats really fucking sharp, I made that up though). I think most of these are balanced and fit in with all of the empires specifications.

EarlyDawn · 2004-08-24, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Biohazzard56

The cert would be called Marksman, it would still have the bolt driver but also a high powered semi/burst firing rifle. They all would be empire specific rifles, the Terran one would be similar to the Battle Rifle in Halo 2 with a secondary 3 round burst (4x Scope). The Vanu rifle would be traditional rifle something along the lines of a smaller calibur M-14. (With an AV Option) The New Conglomerate rifle would be basically a Garand with 8 round cartridge/magazine. It would look nothing like a garand though, it would have a slower RoF than the Garand but it would have a very powerful round, like a 9.37mm (thats really fucking sharp, I made that up though). I think most of these are balanced and fit in with all of the empires specifications.

Yeah, let's make Medium Assault even more useless then it already is.

Biohazzard56 · 2004-08-24, 11:38 AM

These are Accuracy Rifles meant for relatively long distances. Going Close Quarters you would get Massacurred. Or perhaps a revision on the RoF, make it a slow RoF on the rifles but not make it bolt action.