Halo 2 ending discusion

[WritheNC]

There are 7 Halos, each one with an index.

If anyone can remember Jesus mentioning in the bible holding 7 stars in one hand and 7 candlesticks in the other? I don't know which passage exactly that is.

The Ark is a (supposedly)safe place from the Flood. Most people believe the Ark is the Forerunner ship, while others believe the ark is on earth or it IS earth(which is a stretch, but this is Science fiction after all).

When the MC first sees Gravemind, Cortana says, "What is that?" Gravemind replies, "I? I am a monument to all your sins."

I think the Forerunners sought something with their technology that is not possible, probably immortality. In trying to attain this, they created the Flood through experiment, and it spread. Seeing as they could not contain or destroy it, they created the Halos to wipe out all sentient life and prevent the Flood from spreading throughout the galaxy. Gravemind is a monument to their sin of greed for unattainable power, for he is the final ultimate result of their work(which I'm guessing is achieving immortality so all beings of their race would live forever).

Gravemind cannot be Capt. Keyes because the only reason Gravemind can teleport is because he has control of 2041 Penitent Tangent. 343 Guilty Spark would not have teleported a Flood off Halo because he is programmed to stop them, and there was no Flood as powerful as Gravemind that would have subverted him.

"Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have gone. But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on. I will ask, and you will answer." is what Gravemind says at the end.

If he can control 2041 Penitent Tangent, then he might be able to even subvert Cortana. It is likely this would be his goal since he also realizes that she is the production of Humans, which are "Reclaimers"(The only ones who can activate the Halos). Thus, he must kill them all to let nothing stop the Flood from spreading across the galaxy.

"Fate had us meet as foes, but this ring will make us brothers." This is likely just Gravemind lying to buy time to get Miranda's ship. If he had said "but this ring will make YOU brothers." then I can foresee him prophesizing something between the Sangheili(Elites) and Humanity. He is extremely ancient and powerful, so I would expect it.

The ending sucked ass, of course. I can only hope that they pulled a Back to the Future 2&3(Or Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions if you have bad taste in movies) and were developing Halo 3 at the same time they were making 2.

I'm sure Halo 3 will have lots of Flood, more Covenant civil war(Grunts, Elites, Hunters and even Humans vs. Brutes, Prophets, Jackals, and the new flying aliens).

[LimpBIT]

What are those flying aliens called anyway. The marines refer to them as buggers.

Edit: doh this is jaged, forgot to log off of my friends account.

[Atog]

Gravemind: Official Name?
Gravemind: What is he? Flood? or not?
2041 Penitent Tangent-what's that?
Why can Gravemind hear Cortana? I was always under the impression that she spoke to MC hammer in a semitelepathic way, not through like speakers.

[Doop]

They're called drones.

2401 Penitent Tangent (not 2041) is the monitor (much like Guiltyspark) of the Halo you're on in Halo 2 (Delta Halo). He glows red instead of blue.

[Mag]

Also, 2401/7 = 343. Interesting tid-bit.

[Lonehunter]

It's a game, not a bible

Originally Posted by Doop

2401 Penitent Tangent is the monitor of the Halo you're on in Halo 2 . He glows red instead of blue.

Glowed Yellow for me

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by WritheNC

When the MC first sees Gravemind, Cortana says, "What is that?" Gravemind replies, "I? I am a monument to all your sins."

I'm not done yet (just got grabbed by this afformentioned "gravemind"), but that says a lot.

It would seem like the ancient races (Forerunner, Flood) lack the ability to tell Humans apart from Forerunner. Thus, I'm hypothesizing that Gravemind thinks Chief is a Forerunner, and is implying that the Forerunner actually created the Flood.

The question is, why? The Forerunner seemed to be a fairly stable race, overall, although their technology (seen in Covenent Tech. All Covie tech is adapted or directly taken from FR.) has a military feel to it. Thus, I'm prone to believe the Forerunners were Fighting against a Fifth, unknown race.

The Flood was created by the Forerunner as a "Final Solution" weapon for the war. The Flood probably won the surface wars for them, but began to spread slowly and unstoppably. In the horror of realising what they'd done, they began to scorch worlds (Covenant "Glassing" Heavy Energy Weapons) in hopes of containing the flood. The facilities where the Flood were created were retrofitted with equipment to destroy anything organic within 25,000 Lightyears. Such an abomination must never leave the Forerunner galaxy. They also created the Monitors, so that should they fail, the galaxy would be wiped clean.

The central control center (Arc) was built on earth. It's purpose was twofold: To set off all the Halos, and protect those inside. The ring network within our galaxy was obviously set off at some point. Prehaps those forerunner stuck inside for countless eons while new atmospheres formed became almost tribal, and began colonizing Earth. This explains both why Humans began on Earth, and why we're frequently misidentified as Forerunner.

The only enigma is the Covenant. Assuming they originated in our galaxy (this is likely, considering they lack innovation), it is possible that they too, have an Ark. Prehaps the Covenant forefather race was the group at war with the Forerunner. It begs some questions, however: Where is the "Alpha Covenant" technology? Did they have a Halo grid of their own?

It is hypothetically possible that the Alpha Covenant race was so harshly exterminated, that no technology remained, and their species totally destroyed in the first detonation.

Just my thoughts.

[Everay]

i like lones idea that this isnt a bible, but i gotta say that there have often been games with deep and tangled stories before. your questions early, i think are irrelivent, simply because your going out on a limb to even come to those questions. i belive that grapevine is the master flood dude, and that the forerunners made the flood, and that humans, quite possibly, are the decendants of the forerunners. where the covies come from, well, its possible that they just evolved after the rings were set off the first time, and they were, it was the floating talking AI blue dude that said something like "1.2 trillion simulations 1 actual" he was talking about setting off the rings that is.

[Jaged]

But if the rings went off how did the flood survive on the orignal halo ring?

[Octavian]

The rings don't necessarily have to make a huge explosion. It's possible that they emit some gas or toxin that spreads throughout the galaxy, killing off all sentient life. Remember, "The only way to kill the Flood, is to starve them to death." - Cortana

[xmodum]

I just finished H2 at my friends house, played all day. Holy fucking christ. This game rocked, it was kinda short, though. My thoughts on the "Gravemind" is that he was the god of the flood, but didnt know what was going on in the galaxy, that is why he was going to ask Cortana about whatever. I'm not going to get real deep into the story line like Early did, but I do like some of the things he suggested.

The only thing I regret the Halo2 creators doing is not giving us the ablility to drive a "Scarab", that would have fucking rocked so much Giant-covanent-vehicle ass!

[cyberkiller]

Originally Posted by xmodum

The only thing I regret the Halo2 creators doing is not giving us the ablility to drive a "Scarab", that would have fucking rocked so much Giant-covanent-vehicle ass!

would you like a super huge human top-secret battlecruiser to wipe out the covie fleet like nothing too??

[xmodum]

Originally Posted by cyberkiller

would you like a super huge human top-secret battlecruiser to wipe out the covie fleet like nothing too??

Would you like my shotgun shoved up your ass and buck-fire tear your insides apart?

[Infernus]

Drive a scarab? Notice the large crew it took to control the one you had to board...

[Octavian]

Actually most of that was for defence, a scarab only requires 2 Elites to drive so therefore it should only require 1 Spartan to drive it.