2 Years and Nothing Has Changed? - Page 2

Hamma · 2006-04-18, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by chaos1428

In my opinion, games like CoD2 and BF2 have set the bar tactical shooters on the market today. They have the right balance of challenge, diffuculty, with ease of gameplay.

Unless PS follows suit, it will fall. And that would be a damn shame for a game that is so close to perfection.

It isn't those games. There is a whole new set of issues when you get the amount of players PlanetSide has in one place on one server. Lag, Packet Size, etc are much more prominent with several hundred players rather than 16.

There is still no game out there that provides the scale of combat that PS does.

chaos1428 · 2006-04-19, 01:37 AM

Well, for one thing, its 64, not 16. I am not talking about graphics or performance issues here. I'm talking about little extra things.

Being able to spawn anywhere would be enough to give the game a different twist, ending the 2 day stalemates. Its not just my idea, its not even a new idea. I'm simply suprised that nothing has changed to improve the game's "feel" rather than minor tweaks here and there.

Hamma · 2006-04-19, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by chaos1428

Well, for one thing, its 64, not 16.

Same difference. They are different animals, PS is what it is and it does that very well and is the only game that does it at all. It will never become MMO CS or MMO BF2.

Mhute · 2006-04-19, 05:42 PM

Not even Eve Online?

chaos1428 · 2006-04-19, 06:27 PM

Uhg. Defend it all you like, its just not worth paying for.

I could post links to other MMOs patch list to prove how a dev team should update, but I won't.

You all keep paying, when reserves is over, and if theres more than before, then you were right, if not, well then, nobody wins.

If you think its perfectly fine, and PS is not in any danger, then by all means, defend it and tell everyone who has an idea, that the game is fine.

Hamma · 2006-04-19, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mhute

Not even Eve Online?

Different game typel.

Originally Posted by chaos1428

Uhg. Defend it all you like, its just not worth paying for.

I could post links to other MMOs patch list to prove how a dev team should update, but I won't.

You all keep paying, when reserves is over, and if theres more than before, then you were right, if not, well then, nobody wins.

If you think its perfectly fine, and PS is not in any danger, then by all means, defend it and tell everyone who has an idea, that the game is fine.

Never said it was perfect, but it will never be one of the games you mentioned. There are far to many technical issues and asside from that they didn't make it all that adaptable when they started.
Could they or can they ad more? Sure can. But you forget you can't add frilly little hats and new epic items in a game like PS. You have to add vehicles, buildings etc etc all of which dont go in all that easily. You have to consider load times, patch times, ping, latency etc etc. Many factors that aren't around in an RPG or something. Someday, i hope soon another MMOFPS will come along that will learn from all that PS has.

It is what it is, accept it for that or not. The choice is simple really

It's the only game of it's kind right now and it does that well. There is no other FPS out there that makes you feel the immersion of being one member in a large army fighting it out in your own corner of the planet.

chaos1428 · 2006-04-19, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Could they or can they ad more? Sure can. But you forget you can't add frilly little hats and new epic items in a game like PS. .

But they DID add frilly little hats. And sunglasses, and "Epic" armor

You DO have to add more vehicles and what not. SO far I've seen the Lib, which is poorly designed, the Lodestar which is a peice of crap, and the Vulture. Oh and the CC vehicles and those went over very well

How does allowing you to spawn anywhere on the map slow the game down? How does allowing people to spawn on the Squad Leader, or Spawn on CR5s, or even make it the new CR6 ability, slow the game down?

I'm not saying change the game to be like other games. What I am saying is some ideas from those games would be very easy to impliment, and WOULDN"T be taxing. Simple little things to make the game play better.

Hamma · 2006-04-19, 10:15 PM

imo things like that would make it even harder to defend a base

Mag-Mower · 2006-04-19, 10:53 PM

I dont know where to start. Planetside isnt broken, its you. You obviously dont like the way it plays, so go play an other FPS.

chaos1428 · 2006-04-20, 12:40 AM

You must be right. There couldn't be anything wrong with PS. Thats why the population has steadily declined over 3 years, and thats why they released the reserves program. It's not a last ditch effort to desparately get people to play or anything. They just had some extra bandwidth sittin around and they wanted to soak it up somehow

I'm just giving some suggestions, butyou just wanna think I'm attacking PS, and you don't want to see anything changed, then by all means, keep it the way it is, and attack me for my ideas.

chaos1428 · 2006-04-21, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

imo things like that would make it even harder to defend a base

Spawning on squad leaders yes I can see your point, but seriously, what about making that the CR6 ability?

Spawning anywhere I don't see as a problem. In fact I think it will be better in the long term of base defense.

Ok, so you're at a base with a red alert. You got enemies coming inside every which way, but your team is holding them off fairly well. However, its only a matter of time (usually) before they break in and take the base. Now I, and alot of others would like to be able to get some armor out, an AMS, or some air cover to start pushing them back, but we can't, when the enemy owns the CY. So what to do? Well, I could hope I Matrixed at the right base, spawn over there, either by myself, or with an organized squad/outfit, come back with a handfull of vehicles, and get hosed by everything they have already there. I could recall, drop on the next base over, again, either alone, or with a few people, and have the same thing happen. Or I could try my luck getting a vehicle out at the red alert base, and prey I can survive past autodrive.

If everyone could just spawn at the next base over, you'd have a steady flow of guys still defending, and a nice steady flow of vehicles coming in to try and take back the CY. Intead, right now, if the gen/tubes go down, everyone at once goes to the next closest base, and comes back, and has to now has to fight its way IN to resecure.

It sucks being trapped in the base, having to either spawn at the red alert base and get farmed, at the random (hopefully close enough tower),the sanc, some AMS way over in BFE.

Or what about those friggin backhacks? You're having a good time duking it out with one empire, then you notice the someone hacking a base on the other end of the cont? We've all benn through that, countless times. Should I REALLY have to take a 20 minute drive over there? By the time anyone gets there, its too late, its hacked, and you're screwed. I don't have a plane, and if its pop-locked, I sure as hell am not recalling to HART in. Instead, you get a handfull of guys in planes head over there, one at a time, mostly disorganized, who do their best without any reinforcements.

If you opened it up to at least allow you to spawn anywhere on the map, or at the very least at any friendly base connected via lattice, it would allow faster response to backhacking, and in fact BETTER base defense. In fact, it would really help with going to a cont, and hacking empty bases. Because ANYONE on the cont can get to you right away, which is better for PS, than hacking empty bases I would think.

Having vehicles isn't just for getting from one end of the cont to the other. There would STILL be a need for vehicles, maybe even moreso.

Its like Instant Action, only smarter.

WolfA4 · 2006-04-21, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by chaos1428

But they DID add frilly little hats. And sunglasses, and "Epic" armor

You DO have to add more vehicles and what not. SO far I've seen the Lib, which is poorly designed, the Lodestar which is a peice of crap, and the Vulture. Oh and the CC vehicles and those went over very well

How does allowing you to spawn anywhere on the map slow the game down? How does allowing people to spawn on the Squad Leader, or Spawn on CR5s, or even make it the new CR6 ability, slow the game down?

I'm not saying change the game to be like other games. What I am saying is some ideas from those games would be very easy to impliment, and WOULDN"T be taxing. Simple little things to make the game play better.

the lodestar is far from a piece of crap, it's a mobile repair and rearming station which lets your empire project it's vehicle power further away from a base enabling easier assualts and sieging of enemy bases.

chaos1428 · 2006-04-21, 04:19 PM

I've seen a handful ever used for that purpose. I just see them used as kamikazes.

However, I stand corrected on the Lodestar. Not a total peice of crap, but still its just.....meh

Lonehunter · 2006-04-22, 12:33 PM

Being able to spawn everywhere would slow the game down a lot. People would be more inclined to not participate in the main battle, and go off on their own thing. Wich would mean more small skirmishes, and less big battles. This would eventually turn into a Unreal/Battlefield setting and 30 people on 30 people, but all playing on the same server.

Walking out the door of a base, and seeing four 150mm Vanguard Shells flying by me
My outfit flying a platoon of Reavers and cooperating with other platoons
Cloaking into a base where you see 5 people every 3 feet and blowing the Gen
Watching a group of Tanks mow down dozens of infantry to take over a Courtyard.
Charging into a base and having the best streak of your life by blasting through guys till your run out of ammo.

^Those^ moments are why the people who play PS like this game. If you don't then simply don't play. Yes more FPSs are very tactical, with very good team play. But in Planetside your team is an Army, and this is a War, not a skirmish.

Every online game can use improvements, and every online game suffered a loss when World of Warcraft came out.

Yes you are stating ideas, but this is not the place to do it over and over. The new Devs have been implementing more and more Player fed ideas lately, go to the official forums. Hey, maybe in a few months one of your ideas will be in game.

WildEagle · 2006-04-22, 01:18 PM

Gah, why do you people such large posts!!! It's so much to read if you haven't been on for a while.