Reaver a two seater now?

[Tool]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Aerial aces dont use wasps.

True, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Tool

True, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say

no, no i do not, i dont know why you would want to bring back something that takes no skill into a system that they claim now takes more skill.

The wasp makes large scale air engaugments a joke, i would seriously hope their would be no air-air lockons in PS2, (yes i do accuatlly get what you mean) im sure the skeeter would be moddable to suit more of an AA role with different guns. eg: the duel alt fire 20mm's, you cant really infantry farm with them.

[BorisBlade]

The wasp should be a good AA platform, sadly its not as good as it should be in ps1. But it should suck at AV/AI making other aircraft its target and making it fodder for AA from armor or infantry and worthless versus ground vehicles. Much like the skyguard, great versus air, crap versus all else and can still be taken out by a reaver if it gets a jump on ya, but generally the wasp would win.

So if ya wanna take on other air, get your wasp as it would be great at AA but weak at all else. If you wanna take on armor but with limited AA and AI then get a bud and grab a reaver. If you wanna scout or take out infantry at the cost of being fodder to AA (unless you just run away) and unable to take on armor, grab a skeeter. This would add variety and choice. It lets em excell in certain areas but in exchange for being weak or even totally worthless in others. Adds to the rock/paper/scissors thing too.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Aerial aces dont use wasps.

They don't use Mossies either.

[Tool]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

no, no i do not, i dont know why you would want to bring back something that takes no skill into a system that they claim now takes more skill.

The wasp makes large scale air engaugments a joke, i would seriously hope their would be no air-air lockons in PS2, (yes i do accuatlly get what you mean) im sure the skeeter would be moddable to suit more of an AA role with different guns. eg: the duel alt fire 20mm's, you cant really infantry farm with them.

It was merely an example of an A2A platform, I never flew a Wasp more than a day just to get used to it's capabilites in fights, afterburner times, and powersliding.

I understand your gripe about lock-on for aircraft but in a futuristic sci-fi game it would be slightly odd with advanced weaponry on everything but aircraft. I picture WWII aerial battles, pilots dogfighting with just their mounted guns and no missles. While the infantry and armor on the ground using Javelin missle systems, depleted uranium shells, airbursting proximity grenades, etc. Just seems a little odd is all.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Tool

It was merely an example of an A2A platform, I never flew a Wasp more than a day just to get used to it's capabilites in fights, afterburner times, and powersliding.

I understand your gripe about lock-on for aircraft but in a futuristic sci-fi game it would be slightly odd with advanced weaponry on everything but aircraft. I picture WWII aerial battles, pilots dogfighting with just their mounted guns and no missles. While the infantry and armor on the ground using Javelin missle systems, depleted uranium shells, airbursting proximity grenades, etc. Just seems a little odd is all.

They're designing a game, made to be played and enjoyed, it does not have to make sense, leave the lockon weapons to the people on the ground in MAXs without the skill to fly. We however prefere direct fire weapons that require aim to use.

[Tool]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

They're designing a game, made to be played and enjoyed, it does not have to make sense, leave the lockon weapons to the people on the ground in MAXs without the skill to fly. We however prefere direct fire weapons that require aim to use.

Well your obviously biased when you say things like "maxs without the skill to fly." Your sense of enjoyment isn't their design focal point and thankfully your not helping design it with such obvious bias. One sided gameplay doesn't lead to many happy gamers.

[SKYeXile]

Im not even going to bother sifting through the threads to link you the negative wasp threads one by one.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/se...***=&postTime=


the sheer volume of them says enough.

[Tool]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Im not even going to bother sifting through the threads to link you the negative wasp threads one by one.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/se...***=&postTime=


the sheer volume of them says enough.

I thought we were talking about Planetside 2? I guess you win again with that lovely lack of context and perspective. It gets a little silly when people continually bring in PS1 issues as if their relevance still or will have bearing on a relatively unknown PS2.

[SKYeXile]

We are talking about PS2...? you said "your sense of enjoyment isn't their design focal point" so i linked you 77 pages of posts from people who agree with me about skill based flying in planetside...? Which im sure their veiws will carryon over into PS2.

But anyway, im not going to argue with somebody who talks about lack of persepective and isnot a pilot in a thread about flying.

[Peacemaker]

New flight engine should separate the kiddies from the real pilots. Especially in A2A. Spin and shoot on this ya lag whores.

[Tool]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

We are talking about PS2...? you said "your sense of enjoyment isn't their design focal point" so i linked you 77 pages of posts from people who agree with me about skill based flying in planetside...? Which im sure their veiws will carryon over into PS2.

But anyway, im not going to argue with somebody who talks about lack of persepective and isnot a pilot in a thread about flying.

Yeah, I was the only one in KOTOR who didn't fly with the rest of the outfit, always ran on foot to bases. You seem to imply that flying in PS1 required a lot skill in the first place. I learned a lot from players like Term and could powerslide with the likes of Rift. I simply didn't enjoy dogfighting as much as the grunt game.

With your quote of my post, you obviously prefer or liked the dogfighting in PS1. With the introduction of the wasp, many players cried fowl since it challenged or disrupted a preferred playstyle. You know what we did? We said sure, they kinda suck; but rarely, if ever used them and adapted to their use in the air.

With all that moaning about the wasp, "real" pilots wasted little time understanding them and their weaknesses. How trivial those 77 pages became when players realized how to actually combat wasp pilots without their accustomed "skills" which usually relagated to turreting or cherry picking fights.

Don't try to pull that childish "your not a pilot, your opinion doesn't count" crap with me.

[Ranik Ortega]

I have to side with the realistic missile lock on. If they are trying to go for "Real" flight mechanics then those who are good will still be good.

Logically if the flight mechanics are heavily revamped then the window of opportunity to shoot A2G is shortened by a good bit. If the window to fire on ground targets is shortened then it is very likely aircraft will be more killy per second. If that is true then AA and A2A may need to be stepped up accordingly. Just going on logic with this one.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Tool

Yeah, I was the only one in KOTOR who didn't fly with the rest of the outfit, always ran on foot to bases. You seem to imply that flying in PS1 required a lot skill in the first place. I learned a lot from players like Term and could powerslide with the likes of Rift. I simply didn't enjoy dogfighting as much as the grunt game.

With your quote of my post, you obviously prefer or liked the dogfighting in PS1. With the introduction of the wasp, many players cried fowl since it challenged or disrupted a preferred playstyle. You know what we did? We said sure, they kinda suck; but rarely, if ever used them and adapted to their use in the air.

With all that moaning about the wasp, "real" pilots wasted little time understanding them and their weaknesses. How trivial those 77 pages became when players realized how to actually combat wasp pilots without their accustomed "skills" which usually relagated to turreting or cherry picking fights.

Don't try to pull that childish "your not a pilot, your opinion doesn't count" crap with me.

oh KOTOR LOL, I'm alittle hazey on my history here, but after failing to adapt on the fly in outfit wars to another outfit going defensive on you, didn't you guys cry on the forums because you lost or drew or something and had the whole tourniment canceled? Loving the irony.

[Volw]

Originally Posted by Hamma

The screenshot we got here on PSU appears to have 2 seats, but I asked during the Q&A and it was stated there was one.. so there is some confusion.

It could potentially be both, depending on a variant.

and/or they've scrapped the idea and instead Liberator will be able to deliver some heavy air to ground punishment other than bombs.