Would you like to see major differences in each empire? - Page 2

SuperMorto · 2011-10-23, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by DviddLeff

Take Starcraft as a good example of how to have radically different play styles facing each other in a more or less balanced way.

That is just what I was thinking, the whole point in PS2, is to have 3 different sides, and all with their own unique things.

Thats what makes the game for me, and I can imagine for alot of people, I know some folks like it simple, but if you want all sides to be the same, then why not just play another game.

PS2 should be ads unique as possible so it doesn't fall into the same groups as the rest of the crap out there.

And why cant the devs stick to what is true, they go on and on and on and on and on about how good this forge light is, then show us gamers what you can do with it!!

VS Tech heads, I love it this
TR, Rapid fire, I love this to
NC Big and Packing a punch! and I love this!

Keep it like that.

1 thing is for sure, looking at the Max pictures is seems to me they will be going for this kind of Star Craft game.

Good to them, hope they pull it off!

Morto.

Crator · 2011-10-23, 10:05 AM

Even better, they made an aircraft that is empire specific and can be modded. I just hope that the mods are also empire specific and it's not just a "looks" thing.

Xyntech · 2011-10-23, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

Even better, they made an aircraft that is empire specific and can be modded. I just hope that the mods are also empire specific and it's not just a "looks" thing.

I believe they have already confirmed empire specific modifications. I think that at the time they were specifically saying that you would be able to modify common pool weapons and vehicles with ES mods, but I can only assume the same would apply even more so for ES vehicles and weapons.

Lonehunter · 2011-10-23, 10:31 AM

Starcraft is a perfect example of 3 factions having very different characteristics with a good amount of balance.

If Blizzard was making Planetside 2, they could pull it off. But I think the best SOE can do is a few guns/modifications/vehicles with certain empire specific aspects like lazers, higher rate of fire, and big damage single shots.

Crator · 2011-10-23, 10:44 AM

Sometimes simple is better. Do you have any good ideas on how to make it more dynamic though? We all know that balancing ES weapons can be sticky. Let's hope SOE can figure that one out pretty quickly this time round.

Xyntech · 2011-10-23, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lonehunter187

Starcraft is a perfect example of 3 factions having very different characteristics with a good amount of balance.

If Blizzard was making Planetside 2, they could pull it off. But I think the best SOE can do is a few guns/modifications/vehicles with certain empire specific aspects like lazers, higher rate of fire, and big damage single shots.

I'll say it again, Starcraft is an RTS, not an FPS. I still haven't been able to think of any multi player FPS's that had three extremely distinct sides that were well balanced. The closest example I can think of are the various Aliens vs Predator games, but none of them has had the kind of balance you would need in a game like Planetside.

I'd love to see PS2 have that kind of Starcraft level of diversity. Maybe Blizzard really could pull it off, however as of yet I'm unaware of anyone ever having succeeded in designing that kind of balance in a multi player FPS. It would be awesome to see SOE pull it off for PS2 and it would certainly make the game stand out from the crowd, but I just don't see it happening. If we had a preexisting, smaller scale FPS that proved that three unique sides could be balanced in a shooter, maybe I would be more optimistic

I don't want to see the 3 factions ever become identical clones of each other, but for the time being I'd rather that the devs leaned a little more towards balance than diversity. Just so long as they don't completely remove diversity, which I can't see them ever doing.

SuperMorto · 2011-10-23, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Xyntech

I'll say it again, Starcraft is an RTS, not an FPS. I still haven't been able to think of any multi player FPS's that had three extremely distinct sides that were well balanced. The closest example I can think of are the various Aliens vs Predator games, but none of them has had the kind of balance you would need in a game like Planetside.

I'd love to see PS2 have that kind of Starcraft level of diversity. Maybe Blizzard really could pull it off, however as of yet I'm unaware of anyone ever having succeeded in designing that kind of balance in a multi player FPS. It would be awesome to see SOE pull it off for PS2 and it would certainly make the game stand out from the crowd, but I just don't see it happening. If we had a preexisting, smaller scale FPS that proved that three unique sides could be balanced in a shooter, maybe I would be more optimistic

I don't want to see the 3 factions ever become identical clones of each other, but for the time being I'd rather that the devs leaned a little more towards balance than diversity. Just so long as they don't completely remove diversity, which I can't see them ever doing.

edit* I should read all of a post before posting reply, sorry about that.

Thats why it is Planetsdie, and that's why they should be making sure its a fooking good game. As there isn't anything out there the same.

But as far as games with different weapons....................

Look no further than this, on of my top games of all time! Executed perfectly!

I give you AVP2 on the PC, what a game!

Not only was it 3/4/5/6 different sides, it was 3 different races, this was StarCraft2 on the ground! And its old, so what could be done now?......

And this on a massive scale would of been amazing! It should be done.

AVP was released in 1999, shit the bed I was 19, im 32 now. SO if they can pull that kind of difficult game play off then, what can they do now?, Beta will iron out any major issues, but they could be as diverse as they wanted, tweaking will go on for some time.

BorisBlade · 2011-10-23, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by DviddLeff

Take Starcraft as a good example of how to have radically different play styles facing each other in a more or less balanced way.

Yes, but that ONLY works when you look at the empire as a whole. Not per unit which is where we actually play. When taken as a whole you have rock paper scissors or combined unit strategies etc that make em balance, but in ps you are at the per unit level. Being that one zergling is no fun when the marine comes up and kills you instantly. And so forth.

I love variation but you dont do it in a way where its " tr sux with tanks but good with air" or whatever, thats crap, then you get screwed if you play tanks as tr and its no fun, or if you play other empires you get screwed with air etc. Thats terrible gameplay.

PS1 did a fairly good job. The tanks were fairly well balanced despite different approaches. (yes teh tr one was screwed up manpower wise but worked ok otherwise) You let em have varying speeds/armor/damage etc but basically they all end up about the same in the end. Gettin too crazy like starcraft and you end up with empires wehre people only want to play certain parts of each empire. I for one would not roll tanks in an empire with weak tanks, same with any role/vehicle.

And i dont mind 3 man tanks, when they are done right, the ps1 prowler was not. I wish the Heavy tanks were pilot + 2 gunners, each gun being good not just the main gun like in ps1. Then it would/could be balanced for having high firepower and armor by requiring more manpower than weaker vehicles.

SKYeXile · 2011-10-23, 05:36 PM

Yea well attempting to go fully like starcraft isn’t going to happen, because yea as boris said, nobody wants to play the zergling against a super soldier with 10x HP, you would have to be stupid to design a game or add something like that.....

If they're going to mix things up it would need to stay an FPS(though melee vanu would be cool) and it needs to be balanced at at least a squad level, preferably individual.

I guess Planetside does have some diversity, but i still think we could see some differences in their progression tree's and upgrades/mods, weapon packages, perhaps empire "racials" it would add some more favour. They could even access certs/implant slots at different levels or have different implants available...(offcourse they couldn't be to OP)

But all this does have to come down to sony and they don’t have the best rack record at balancing things, and neither did blizzard until their game became popular and an esport...even now they’re still not that good at it, when every season 1 or 2 combos are vastly superior to others.

TRex · 2011-10-25, 05:03 PM

The Blizzard reference is quite apt I believe. SOE have a great chance to put ps2 on the map , but I wouldn't be surprised if we see World of Starcraft rear its ugly head aka titan . Blizzard lifted the warhammer franchise wholesale and made it their own baby.
Could happen

SKYeXile · 2011-10-25, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by TRex

The Blizzard reference is quite apt I believe. SOE have a great chance to put ps2 on the map , but I wouldn't be surprised if we see World of Starcraft rear its ugly head aka titan . Blizzard lifted the warhammer franchise wholesale and made it their own baby.
Could happen

thats what blizzard do, they take many things that are already good from other games and make them better in one nice little package.

NapalmEnima · 2011-10-25, 05:20 PM

1) No tech plants. Everything you have unlocked will always be available. You may have to go back to your empire foothold to pull a Galaxy (or any other Vast vehicles that might be in-game), but by and large, if you've got it, you can get it.

2) I think we're going to see a lot more empire specific Stuff this time around. I think we'll have a pretty good idea of what's what after this week with the TR info, plus whatever empire we get next (as a basis for comparison).

TRex · 2011-10-25, 05:37 PM

Back on topic with the original question:

I'd like to see major differences in each empire in that as a fresh basic soldier you have recognisable traits as you stated :tr = rate of fire /nc =slower with more damage /vs = versatility.
Howether , I think it would be interesting if the customisation / unlocks /cert trees allow you to tweak your own character to the point whereby your tr character could unload slow /more damge per shot weaponry etc , and have these as pre-loadable variaions within a class terminal inventory . Think of the mcg with buckshot type variation , almost mimicking the lasher orb /lash effect . That sort of thing.

Xyntech · 2011-10-25, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by TRex

Back on topic with the original question:

I'd like to see major differences in each empire in that as a fresh basic soldier you have recognisable traits as you stated :tr = rate of fire /nc =slower with more damage /vs = versatility.
Howether , I think it would be interesting if the customisation / unlocks /cert trees allow you to tweak your own character to the point whereby your tr character could unload slow /more damge per shot weaponry etc , and have these as pre-loadable variaions within a class terminal inventory . Think of the mcg with buckshot type variation , almost mimicking the lasher orb /lash effect . That sort of thing.

I think it would be pretty cool if certain sidegrades allowed your weapons to function more like the default versions of some of the other empires weapons. It would be offset by the fact that you would have to unlock them, while the other empire got them by default.

Additionally, each empire should have sidegrade options that further accentuate their own empires philosophy, so that the TR for example would be able to even further increase their rate of fire more than the normal default, while the NC and VS would never be able to reach those sidegraded rates of fire.

TacosWLove · 2011-10-25, 06:15 PM

Yes, yes i would