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View Poll Results: What would you condone in the extraction of life saving information from a terrorist?
Pliars and a blowtorch (Torture) 12 29.27%
Sleep deprevation etc (Heavy subliminal interrogation/Mild Torture) 11 26.83%
Considered a POW and using action only sanctioned by the Geneva Convention 10 24.39%
Let the Pakistanies take care of that 8 19.51%
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Old 2003-03-04, 11:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Smart thing to do would be:
Lie and say we exacute him, and then hold him somewhere and torture him with any means we can tell we get what we want or we run out of butter.
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Old 2003-03-04, 11:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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Every time I think of this thread it reminds me of the site this forum led me on to:

www.stickdeath.com

I lmao on all of those. If no one has watched the whole front page yet(and the reccomended viewings), you are missing out on some really funny sick demented shit!

I think The Carrot Patch one fits this poll.
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Old 2003-03-05, 03:25 AM   [Ignore Me] #18
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The worst torture would have to be pushing the PS release date back 2 years. If i were a terrorist id defenitly say everything to stop such horrors
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Old 2003-03-05, 04:19 AM   [Ignore Me] #19
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Originally posted by Hamma
Why do u think he was not brought back to the US?

SO we can beat the shit out of him for info.
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Old 2003-03-05, 08:11 AM   [Ignore Me] #20
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This isnt really a political debate thread.. Yet
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Old 2003-03-05, 08:16 AM   [Ignore Me] #21
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Originally posted by Hamma
This isnt really a political debate thread.. Yet
$5 says by the end of the day, its a flamewar
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Old 2003-03-05, 10:11 AM   [Ignore Me] #22
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I favor Chinese water torture.
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Old 2003-03-05, 10:34 AM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Chineese Water Torture is a must in the Un-Holy Bible of Torture!

Worse enough you have to stand that.....Drip........Drip........Drip.......

That alone makes me flip out. But now add that to the Drips on yer head....

Drip/tap........Drip/tap.........Drip/tap.......

But if that is considered torture, by no means painful just annoying till you could not stand it, then it seems there would be more school shootings, web sites crashings/hackings, people going postal, road rage, depression, suicide(my 2nd favorite), mass murder killing spree's(favorite), neighbors beating the shit outta neighbors, Richard Simmons dead, Sony Corp HQ bombed for taking to fucking long,


You know, stuff like that. So if it does not hurt like your dick being cut off with a blow torch, or your nuts in a vice, or your funny muscle in your foot going off in sheer pain for a minute cuz you moved it wrong(maybe I am the only one that has that happen) is it really classified as torture?
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Old 2003-03-05, 12:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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sigbot will like that sig
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Old 2003-03-05, 01:06 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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That quote always makes me laugh.
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Old 2003-03-05, 01:55 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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Commententation on this topic is debasing and utterly pathetic. Revolution, are you all there? Justice is always to be upheld prior to any act of seeking that Justice. In other words, you can't break justice to get justice.

Quite disturbing.
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Old 2003-03-05, 08:49 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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Old 2003-03-05, 08:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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What is the sigbot? Why was my signature removed?
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Old 2003-03-05, 10:08 PM   [Ignore Me] #29
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The main problem with torture, besides ethics. is that it doesn't work. That is right. No Workie.

I can get someone to say anything I want if I torture them long enough. If this was an inquisition then that would be fine. But when you are trying to stop more terrorism then getting incorrect information just isn't going to do anything constructive. And could very well set you back.
In other words, tearing someones teeth out while yelling "IS IT SAFE." Will get every answer possible. "Yes, it's safe! No, it isn't safe! Just stop the pain!!

Example? In Vietnam all they wanted was for the service men to admit that they were bombing schools and targetting civilians. If they did that, the torture will stop. They will be set free. So people did just that. Some held out, but many broke.

No, what you do is mental. You break them down, you don't let them sleep. You let them drink only water. You give them only rice to eat. You have them stand for days at a time. You put them in a room with nothing to sleep on by the cold floor, and you have bright lights on constantly so they lose track of time. This way they are living, and for the most part healthy (that fat bastard will lose some weight.) They just aren't confortable. You let them stew in this for a while then you give them chances to get out. "Tell us who is helping you and we will give you a bed." Ect. You do this for WEEKS!

Tired, hungry, and miserable he will, sooner or later, tell you what you want to know.

Oh, for the record, there is no real truth drug. The CIA researched that for years (and came up with LSD I think.)
Sodium Pentithol (sp?) is close but all it does is make him more suggestive. That way you can make him believe that he is back home talking to his mom. But getting the information out of him is still hard. You have to figure out what cercumstances it will take for him to spill the right info.

I just read an article about this.
Plus a close friend went to the POW camp in the Air Force. That crap is screwed up.
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Old 2003-03-05, 11:03 PM   [Ignore Me] #30
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I will condone mental torture, because it is only to get information, not cause them pain or damage them.

Justice isn't always right, unjust things sometimes happen so that lives may be preserved. I will condone phisical torture only in the most dire circumstances, such as to prevent another 9-11ish attack. In such cases, things must be done, dispite the laws.

My basic phislosophy in dealing with such circumstances is: "Follow the rules when you can, but ignore them when neccisary."
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