New Twitter pic: NC shotgun - Page 2

Zulthus · 2012-01-03, 10:18 PM

The thing is sexy. Can VS has?

SKYeXile · 2012-01-03, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

The thing is sexy. Can VS has?

No, its direct fire, has the ability to kill 6 people in a clip, a hard hitting alpha with decent AP damage, its a far greater weapon the the vanu can produce with our superior technology.

Coreldan · 2012-01-04, 05:08 AM

I'd find it very weird if it was NC specific, but not jackhammer. Or then this is the jackhammer equivalent somehow. Looks more common pool to me as well, just with some slight faction theme on it.

That said, I hated all shotguns in this game, makes me wonder why I played NC lol

I liked the other weaponry such as the Vanguard cannon and Gauss rifle though.

I still hope our AI MAX wont be a shotgun though, as well as hoping that our HA weapon at least has options in addition to having a shotgun. Shotguns arn't fun in most games.

Infektion · 2012-01-04, 07:50 AM

Side upgrade: standard -> modified
---------- Buckshot(large). Sabot/slug

BlazingSun · 2012-01-04, 10:07 AM

Has there even been confirmed that there will be a "Jackhammer"? I wouldn't miss that gun that much if it meant more empire balance. Besides .. two of the three barrels of the JH where cosmetic anyway as only the upper barrel would actually fire and the barrels wouldn't rotate .. fail construction.

I do prefer shotguns with a clip though instead of having to put in each round manually, but this here seems to be the later case. I like the look though .. well done.

CutterJohn · 2012-01-04, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by KornDemon

Besides .. two of the three barrels of the JH where cosmetic anyway as only the upper barrel would actually fire and the barrels wouldn't rotate .. fail

Rather like the MCG with 6 barrels and a slower firing rate than any modern firearm.

Or Elmer Fudds good old double barrel pump..

Coreldan · 2012-01-04, 11:09 AM

The word is magazine, not clip

And this weapon doesn't seem to have a magazine, but it does seem to have a magazine tube (read: manual 1-by-1 reload).

Coreldan · 2012-01-04, 01:19 PM

Oh yea, look at that.. Couldnt see that no matter how hard I looked

Guess I thought it was the trigger guard.

That's weird though. The magazine itself is extremely small. Thinking about shotgun shells it wouldnt hold more than 3-4. Then there is also the clearly visible magazine tube.

I cba tubed shotguns in real life

I compete in practical shooting and I prefer to use a Saiga with an extended magazine. Easy wins over people who have to manually feed in 8 rounds while I do a mag switch.

Hmmh, does anyone think the "block" in the end of the barrel looks very much like the one TR picture we saw some days back?

Theorycraft! Perhaps it's a.. "advanced gas block"

Less recoil? Perhaps just a more conventional extra weight to help fight recoil? A gas block would imply the weapon is semi or full auto, but we also see the good ol' pump handle. Then again, many shotguns have both pump and semi auto. Then again, we can't really expect SoE to justify all mods to the weapons with IRL weapons and their attachments :P

Coreldan · 2012-01-04, 01:26 PM

The laser in the TR pic seems to start well before the big ass block, though.

Shows that the laser comes from a small thingie:

Bravic · 2012-01-04, 02:41 PM

Never understood why people placed shotgun shells on the side of the weapon, why not buy a 12 dollar autoloader that drops the next one in.

Because automatic shotguns are known for jamming.

GTGD · 2012-01-04, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Erendil

That looks like the NC version of the Sweeper. It's not hefty enough looking to be a JH. I expect that all common pool weapons in PS2 will have unique looks from empire to empire, even if their weapons stats are the same (which they may or may not be). Kinda like the ES 6-shooters in PS1.

I'd have no problem letting the NC mod their weapons to hit harder than their stock versions and at a level that other Empires just couldn't match through any customization, but only if their TTK is slower than the lighter hitting, faster RoF TR/VS counterparts.

All else being equal, the more damage a weapon can do per shot, the slower its TTK should be. This is where PS1 weapon balance sometimes failed us.

For example, the JH was so dominant in CQC in large part because not only did it hit the hardest per shot, but its TTK was also the fastest. So you didn't have to have your reticle constantly on target like the MCG did and if you timed your shots with your ADA strafes you usually won up close.

However, the Sweeper was pretty well balanced against ESMA rifles up close largely due to this inverse relationship of DPS <-> TTK. ESMA rifles had the faster TTK, but they required you to keep your reticle on target the whole time while your stream of bullets slammed into your target. OTOH the Sweeper still came out on top vs ESMA on many occasions because even tho its TTK was slower it hit way harder per shot so 4 well-timed reticle sweeps across your target was enough to get the kill.

This might be the worst post I've seen in weeks. The JH was dominant in CQC because of all the TR and VS idiots who decided to skip aiming and just run into the NC at near point-blank range. The JH was and SHOULD rip them to pieces, it's a shotgun. The MCG was the most accurate and could actually be used at ranges where an MA rifle would have been appropriate. That is the tradeoff - the MCG shouldn't go toe-to-toe with the JH at close ranges since it completely outclassed it at anything over 10-15m. How is it fair that "my weapon has the same TTK at close range, and is great from afar while yours is useless"?

JH rips things apart and is the best weapon up close, between 10-15m.

MCG is accurate and fast firing, giving it an edge at long range 25+m.

The lasher falls somewhere between, and is most effective at middle range of about 15-25m, where near misses can lash and orbs still have a good chance at hitting.

The only problem was that half of the fighting happened in staircases, and most fights outside were using vehicles. What everyone fails to realize is that whenever long hallways or outdoors were involved, the MCG was easily the greatest HA. The lasher was also very good, especially for BD defense. But the JH was garbage, it wasn't even usable. It would be even worse in Planetside 2 because hitscan is going away.

This screen looks like the sweeper, and I seriously doubt it is a heavy weapon. And I hope it isn't an NC specific weapon, at least I hope the other factions don't get a non-shotgun version of this one. Shotguns are so limited, they're hardly effective.

SuperMorto · 2012-01-04, 04:15 PM

It looks very detailed whatever it is.

acosmo · 2012-01-04, 04:25 PM

guys get whatever notion that weapons in PS2 will be anything like PS1 out of your head.
each side gets a chaingun each side gets a shotgun each side gets an assault rifle.

SuperMorto · 2012-01-04, 04:28 PM

And only VS get laser beams! hahahaha!

EASyEightyEight · 2012-01-04, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by acosmo

guys get whatever notion that weapons in PS2 will be anything like PS1 out of your head.
each side gets a chaingun each side gets a shotgun each side gets an assault rifle.

This. The Empires will have access to the same types of equipment it seems, they may just work as expected for the Empire that constructed it.

The sweeper shotgun might look different between the 3 empires, and might perform slightly different as well. It could be modified into a jack hammer, making having an actual jackhammer fairly moot.

*NC = "Jackhammer" in name mostly.
*TR = Sweeper
*VS = erm... um... Phaser!

*Totally made up.