Quick question, how strict is the NDA during beta? - Page 2

Infektion · 2012-03-02, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Quovatis

Seeing as they are giving out beta keys in a magazine, I expect any NDA to be fairly lax, but we'll have to see.

That's a really good marketing strategy, doing this one move is more than they EVER did for PS1, that's for sure. lol

texico · 2012-03-02, 01:55 PM

The NDA will be likely be laid back seeing as they released keys to any stranger who buys PC gamer. However, that doesn't mean they'll let people get away with it if they find out.

Probably, you'll see loads of information released on PS2's Beta. If there's anything piracy has thought us it's that you won't be able to control people who have access to the internet. somebody will post footage online. I don't know if YT would remove it - maybe, but then again YT isn't the only video hosting site.

So I guess there's your answer. Especially given the release of thousands of keys, the devs are probably expecting a lot of leakage that they won't/can't do anything about.

SuperMorto · 2012-03-02, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

It will have an NDA, probably just as strict as it would be without PCGamer too, they probably just wont expect it to hold

But most likely for "legal purposes" they will have the NDA in place anyways.

It's very easy to get stuff removed from YouTube even if you arnt the gaming company in question. Like in APB for example, people have uploaded video proof of obvious cheaters so they can share it with customer support/devs, but the cheaters themselves make a copyright infringement report claiming to be K2/G1 to get the video taken down and succeed in it lol.

cheers Core. Now this puts me in a rather silly predicament.

A. Do we abide by the rules and miss out on fresh new viewers on the streams and Youtube. While we wait for the NDA to finish or SOE to update it. PTV is reliant on being up to date with video and streams. If others are doing it we will loose valuable viewers. And that leaves us with option B.

B. Abide by all the rules until we see 1 video or stream, then break the rules of the NDA to gain the fresh new fan base that PS2 will bring, remember we are only here to promote PS2 and the community? And yet I still don't like this idea.

We all know that timing can be a very important part of the success of anything. Just look at PSU, the PS2 news is on the front page normally within a few hours. Now if another site had the news quicker, then folks (and they would) would visit the other site, just to see the news a few hours earlier. And this is one of the points I'm worried about. I'm not sure I like the idea of folks breaking the NDA and making of with the fresh new video/streams that I'm trying so hard to make a bigger success.

And please don't mistake this for me not wanting others to do it, I just mean the rule breakers.

Thanks,

Morto.

Duddy · 2012-03-02, 02:03 PM

Sorry Morto, but if you've said you don't intend to breach the NDA... then why would anything anyone else does influence that?

Furthermore, just because something is shown outside of NDA, this doesn't then mean it becomes fair game to anyone else to show it.

With this in mind your question seems either redundant or disingenuous.

SuperMorto · 2012-03-02, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by PoisonTaco

Morto, since you plan on doing streamed events in PS2, why not check in with the devs first if there's an NDA? Maybe there could be a way to work around it.

@ Taco,

I am already talking with folks from SOE, still don't have anything solid about it. But if I find out I will let everybody else know.

Originally Posted by texico

The NDA will be likely be laid back seeing as they released keys to any stranger who buys PC gamer. However, that doesn't mean they'll let people get away with it if they find out.

Probably, you'll see loads of information released on PS2's Beta. If there's anything piracy has thought us it's that you won't be able to control people who have access to the internet. somebody will post footage online. I don't know if YT would remove it - maybe, but then again YT isn't the only video hosting site.

So I guess there's your answer. Especially given the release of thousands of keys, the devs are probably expecting a lot of leakage that they won't/can't do anything about.

This is the problem, a laid back view means folks will get away with uploading streaming content. But folks and sites ran by folks like myself will loose out, as we advertise what we show on twitter etc.

This really is a funny position to be in. Break the rules to help, or dont break the rules and not help as much.

lol

SuperMorto · 2012-03-02, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Duddy

Sorry Morto, but if you've said you don't intend to breach the NDA... then why would anything anyone else does influence that?

Furthermore, just because something is shown outside of NDA, this doesn't then mean it becomes fair game to anyone else to show it.

With this in mind your question seems either redundant or disingenuous.

I suppose what I mean by my comments is will the end of the NDA be official or will it sort of just die off and be unofficially ended as the internet fills up with PS2 content.

but I do see where you coming from Dud.

Duddy · 2012-03-02, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by SuperMorto

I suppose what I mean by my comments is will the end of the NDA be official or will it sort of just die off and be unofficially ended as the internet fills up with PS2 content.

but I do see where you coming from Dud.

Well that is a good question, and probably something only the right legal representatives at SOE have an answer for! So I think you'd need to talk to SOE. :P

In terms of generating content without breaking NDA, I think the bestapproach is trying to arrange exclusive content (not to dissimilar from what PSU and other sites do!). As to what type of content that is, well that's for you to figure out.

BigBossMonkey · 2012-03-02, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by ThGlump

First rule of Beta: Dont speak about Beta!

Some dont even allow you tell anyone youre in. Guess that one will be broken on this site.

Even if we do talk about it, this isn't some underground thing... The at least half a dozen developers visit here DAILY. And those are just the ones who log in.

Hopefully not many people lose beta access as a result.

Raymac · 2012-03-02, 02:24 PM

I just had a thought:

Conspiracy Keanu on Planetside 2

Sirisian · 2012-03-02, 02:31 PM

What an odd thread. When you get invited you'll sign an agreement, just read it then. It'll say if you can talk about it or upload content to the Internet. I was in the Microsoft Flight alpha and I'm in another alpha at the moment and they're all extremely clear what you can and cannot do. For instance, Microsoft Flight said you couldn't tell anyone or talk about it and you had to use their official alpha/beta channels to talk. The new one I'm in has alpha forums setup. The same system happened when I was in the Stargate Worlds alpha and the Vanguard: SOH beta. Special forums and you were expected not to talk to anyone about the game except those already in it. So just wait and read it. If you have questions about the wording post in their official forum when you're in and someone will clarify things.

That said it's like fight club usually.

Originally Posted by Raymac

I just had a thought:

Conspiracy Keanu on Planetside 2

Coreldan · 2012-03-02, 02:32 PM

Well as said, I dont expect NDA breaching content to stay on at least YouTube for long. I'd suppose something like the biggest streaming names will be very swift to remove the content too upon SOEs demand. I'd suppose it's also a legal thing, they probably cant "not act" when it comes to illegal content.

Naturally stuff will get a way on the smaller sites for sure.

APB Reloaded's beta also had such an NDA that you werent ever allowed to publish the NDA bound footage. When NDA was lifted, it still bound the old footage, so you were only allowed to upload stuff from the post-NDA build. That made "piling up" video content ready for when the NDA got lifted impossible.

I'd suggest especially you with such an ambitious project not to breach the NDA even if everyone else did, you've managed to establish a good connection to the devs, they might not want to "help you" out afterwards if you wont stick to the NDA

I wouldnt really worry though. Most NDA breaches for games in beta have gone down fairly fast from any major site where people actually are on, including the streaming websites. I dont think you'll lose much customers to some private russian site hosting videos

Firefly · 2012-03-02, 02:35 PM

Pro-tip: when in doubt, throw it out.

Each game defines its beta NDA terms, both technically and in layman's terms. Most closed betas are strict and rigid, whilst open beta becomes much more lax.

With regards to being a content manager, as I understand that's what you are getting at - is OTHER people submitting content - you should hold them to the same standards. I would recommend having a strict moderation policy, with a warning for the first offense and a ban/suspension for the second offense. And have sufficient coverage. As well as a clearly defined copy of your policy in whatever website sign-up process you have, and a copy of the SOE Planetside 2 NDA.

EVILPIG · 2012-03-02, 02:44 PM

Honestly, I really don't see the point of this thread. The NDA will be clear. When the NDA ends will be clear. Though you stated you won't violate it SuperMotto, you're fishing for a "feel" of who will and whether people should. There is technically nothing wrong with the question, but it doesn't seem like a very smart thing to be doing given you are looking to establish a relationship with the developers and gain some exclusive content for your project. From this end, it appears untrustworthy, whether it was your intention or not.

Not a knock on your project, in fact, I commend you for trying. I hope it works out as a valuable resource.

Graywolves · 2012-03-02, 02:46 PM

Unless the NDA states otherwise I intend to record and prepare some things so that it can be ready after the NDA is lifted.

As I said, unless it is stated otherwise.

Coreldan · 2012-03-02, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Graywolves

Unless the NDA states otherwise I intend to record and prepare some things so that it can be ready after the NDA is lifted.

As I said, unless it is stated otherwise.

Same here