Window shopping build, will order once PS2 Beta is released - Page 2

Goku · 2012-05-07, 03:28 PM

None to be honest. For the TJ-08E you need a modular PSU. Either that SeaSonic I linked earlier or this.

That 570 I linked is a better card than that 560 Ti as well.

Goku · 2012-05-09, 09:44 PM

Ok I lied about the 660 coming out with the 670. We won't see the 660 anytime soon. However the 670 is going to be released at $400. Now your video card options are clear now. Really what you will be looking at now is either the GTX 570, 7850, or if you want to stretch the budget a 7870. Lets see if there is further price cuts with the introduction of the 670 from AMD.

PeteHMB · 2012-05-10, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Goku

Ok I lied about the 660 coming out with the 670. We won't see the 660 anytime soon. However the 670 is going to be released at $400. Now your video card options are clear now. Really what you will be looking at now is either the GTX 570, 7850, or if you want to stretch the budget a 7870. Lets see if there is further price cuts with the introduction of the 670 from AMD.

Yeah I was looking at the 7850s after reading up on mid range cards some more. They're right around the same price but TH put them to the test and preferred them far and above the 570s.

Comparison

Current build:
SilverStone Temjin Series TJ08B-E - $97.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB - $109.99
LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive - $18.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB DDR3 1333 - $41.99
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz - $249.99
GIGABYTE GA-Z77M-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $114.99
GIGABYTE GV-R785OC-2GD Radeon HD 7850 2GB - $259.99
[POWER SUPPLY BLOCK]

Total: $893.93 before power supply, taxes, and shipping.

Goku · 2012-05-10, 07:08 AM

Switch back to that other ram I had in the build. That stuff isn't worth $25 more. if you want something that looks better get these. Either of those PSUs I showed you before are good. If you want to stick AMD I highly recommend stretching for the 7870 as it performs above the 570 and similar to the 580 in games. Like this one.

670 reviews just came out. The 7900 series is going to be due for another price cut. Poor AMD. 7950 will drop to sub $350 and the 7870 probably sub $300.

Rbstr · 2012-05-10, 12:32 PM

Looking at benchmarks, It seems to me that the 670GTX beats the the 7970 especially factoring in price.

I don't normal think a $400 card is a particularly sweet spot (I'm kind of angry the x70 card, I've mostly found the cut-down high end card to be the best buy, has come up in price to this point)...but when it's beating the competitor's $500 card...
AMD is screwed if they can't compete on price or performance.

Goku · 2012-05-10, 12:47 PM

Yup gonna crash and burn now. About time there is competition going again.

termhn · 2012-05-13, 12:31 AM

True that.

PeteHMB · 2012-05-13, 05:37 PM

So is there an ETA on the Nvidia mid-range cards?

I did some reading up on PCIe 2.0 vs 3.0 and 3.0 seems magnitudes better...but all the Nvidia cards start at $400 and go up. Even most of the AMD/ATI cards are around there. Shouldn't prices be dropping/drop soon with the release of the new 670s and whatnot?

termhn · 2012-05-13, 06:03 PM

No ETA, but if you can wait I would because so far Kepler has been blowing the water off AMD's 7000 series. Try to wait for the 660 if I were you.

Goku · 2012-05-13, 06:08 PM

660 is 6 months out. If you want to build soon either up your budget or go AMD.

termhn · 2012-05-13, 06:51 PM

PS2 full game probably wont be out until 2013 so that wouldn't be a problem but the beta will probably be done and gone by then...

PeteHMB · 2012-05-26, 10:04 PM

Bumping this for an updated build, I'm enjoying playing around with parts in my spare time (of which I have little). Took your recommendation on the 7870, swapped the processor for one that has HT support, changed the hard drive (decided I really don't need a 1TB, as I already have 2 external 500gb drives that store all my movies.) Music has been relegated to Pandora, so that freed up another 100+ gb (roughly 35,000 songs, I don't recall the exact size but I think it was around 130gb or so). I'm looking more at mini-ITX now though, as I still see a lot of empty space in the Micro-ATX build. I don't need 7 slots for a hard drive or 4 expansion slots for dual video cards. 1 mid-range/mid-high video card, 2 memory slots, mobo's gonna have everything else built in. That being said, here's what I'm looking at currently for both ATX and ITX builds:

Micro-ATX build:
SilverStone Temjin Series TJ08B-E - $97.99
Western Digital Caviar 500gb 64mb cache - $84.99
LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive - $18.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB DDR3 1333 - $41.99
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz - $239.99
GIGABYTE GA-Z77M-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $114.99
GIGABYTE GV-R785OC-2GD Radeon HD 7870 2GB - $359.99
SeaSonic M12II 620W or the PCPCS - $89.99

Total: $1104.92 before taxes and shipping. Of course, once the prices drop on the 7870 it'll be back within my target budget.

Mini-ITX build:
ASRock Z77E-ITX LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $149.99
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz - $239.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB DDR3 1333 - $41.99

Subtotal for Mobo, CPU, Memory - $511.97

- Case:
Either Lian-Li - PC-Q08B ($109.99) or PC-Q18B ($159.99) - or this Silverstone SG07-B (184.99, but comes with a 600w PSU)
- Graphics:
Either Gigabyte - 7850 ($259.99) or 7870 ($359.99) depending on fit. Lengthwise they should both be fine in either case, but I'm not sure about width-wise, apparently stuff gets pretty tight in there and I don't know about any potential heat issues as well (hence my reasoning for choosing those two Lian-Li cases - large intake fans in the front, and the Silverstone has a 180mm).
- PSU:
SeaSonic M12II 620W or the PCPCS - $89.99 (Could probably go down to 550w or even 500w thanks to the switch to the 78XX cards, they use less power than the Nvidias, and the Silverstone case comes with a 600w)

Subtotals:
PC-Q08B + 7870 + PSU - $599.97
PC-Q18B + 7870 + PSU - $609.97
SG-07B + 7870 + no PSU - $544.98

Haven't decided on a hard drive or optical drive yet. The Silverstone case requires a slim, the others can accommodate a full size but I'm thinking about just buying a slim drive in any case as it'll likely rarely if ever be used other than to install Windows...which can be done through USB anyway.

Goku · 2012-05-26, 10:42 PM

What you are doing has no benefit from hyper threading. Drop the 3770K back down to the 3570K. Put that extra $100 towards a better video card, which will be the GTX 670. $360 is far too much money for a 7870. Given the fact this game is for PS2 it is being developed with PhysX and Nvidia hardware. Its a no brainer to go for a GTX 670 now due to upping the budget.

Concerning the HDD. I suggest spending the extra on this one. Twice as much storage space, plus its a faster drive.

As for those cases its totally up to you. I don't know much of anything when it comes to ITX TBH.

There is a too that came out recently. Newegg doesn't seem to stock it. Both the SG 07 and 08 will support cards up to 12.2 inches in length, so you are covered for a 670.

PeteHMB · 2012-05-27, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Goku

What you are doing has no benefit from hyper threading. Drop the 3770K back down to the 3570K. Put that extra $100 towards a better video card, which will be the GTX 670. $360 is far too much money for a 7870. Given the fact this game is for PS2 it is being developed with PhysX and Nvidia hardware. Its a no brainer to go for a GTX 670 now due to upping the budget.

I haven't really decided to up the budget yet...I'm hoping the 7870s drop in price soon. Explain the no benefit from hyperthreading please? I've been posting these builds on a few other forums for feedback and one pointed out it's a very nice feature to have. I may be only planning on Planetside 2 for right now, but who's to say I won't be playing something else a year or three from now where it would be good to have? I don't see any particular downside to having it rather than not....

Originally Posted by Goku

Concerning the HDD. I suggest spending the extra on this one. Twice as much storage space, plus its a faster drive.

How is that drive faster? The one I linked has twice the cache (64 vs 32) and is SATA 6gb/s vs 3gb/s. Also, I don't need the extra storage. Like, at all. I have one 500gb external that's allllllmost full of movies (maybe another 80gb to go) and one that's only got maybe 100gb of data on it. That's nearly 500gb of empty space I already have...I don't see the need for a 1TB when $30 is half the offset of the other CPU.

Originally Posted by Goku

As for those cases its totally up to you. I don't know much of anything when it comes to ITX TBH.

There is a SG 08 too that came out recently. Newegg doesn't seem to stock it. Both the SG 07 and 08 will support cards up to 12.2 inches in length, so you are covered for a 670.

Interesting. Looking at their website and doing a comparison, it appears the only difference between the 08 and 07 is the front panel, and the one on the 08 is purely for decorative purposes. Emailed them just to be sure there's no other design changes though. Also, I posted up the ITX build on ITXgamer.com, so hopefully I'll get some good feedback from there.

Goku · 2012-05-27, 12:19 AM

No games take advantage of the HT is why the 3570K is always neck to neck with the 3770K. You don't even notice a performance increase going to the 6 core HT 3930K from the additional cores/cache.

GTX 670 is still a better investment in my opinion over the 7870. Still no word on price drops for that card either. Like I said the $100 from the 3770K is better spent on the video card.

Cache isn't everything on a drive and SATA III does nothing for HDDs due to not even coming close to the limits of Sata II. The drive has better read and write verse that western digital. The F3 was the fatest drive last year up until the Hitachi released one that beat it. You say you don't need the extra storage now, but you never know. Considering how much you are spending now on this computer I see no reason to cheap out on the HDD.