NC Corporate Involvement.

[Ailos]

Originally Posted by NewSith

NC remind me of Taliban (no offense to any NC player): funded by shadows, fighting with pawns and rusty equipment, yet having a powerful network worldwide.


If I had a decent speaker voice and was good with 3DMax and Aftereffects, I would introduce a cool video with some facts and thoughts about empires.

Personally, I feel that the 1% description is a bit more fitting. Taliban couldn't even afford the fuel bill for the Vanguard, let alone the armor it has, or any of the MAG cannons we use.

[NewSith]

Originally Posted by TheDrone

NC are corporate lackeys fighting for the power of the few, VS are insane religious zealots.

TR are the only thing standing between humanity and oblivion.

It's really that simple.

TR is idd something standing between humanity and oblivion, no wonder NC and VS were formed.

[Hobitt]

Yep NC use this freedom fighter bs to cover up their true goals if they would be just rebels with little bit of backing they would be wiped out a long time ago

[NewSith]

Originally Posted by Ailos

Personally, I feel that the 1% description is a bit more fitting. Taliban couldn't even afford the fuel bill for the Vanguard, let alone the armor it has, or any of the MAG cannons we use.

I would argue with that, because NC have the basement to actually fight for something. I doubt people pulling the strings would have been able to achieve anything if there were no strings to pull. People fighting for NC actually believe in freedom, that's the point.

[ChargerCarl]

come at us bro's

[Malorn]

The NC are Serious Business.

[Vorgan]

Corporate lackeys? Why does associating with corporations inherently make them lackeys? Corporations aren't inherently evil, and while they obviously have to focus on profits, they have a vested interest in creating a stable and tenable economic/social environment.

The TR seize corporations and oppress civilians (much like authoritarian leftist regimes on Earth today).

The NC seem to want a free, functioning economy. Corporations throwing their significant weight behind a movement based on freedom for individuals doesn't make those individuals lackeys: it means the men and women leading those corporations have good goals.

If you can't accept that corporations aren't all evil, then at least consider this: the NC corporations know that the TR and VS are bad business. If they betray the NC workers/civilians/soldiers, they will be seen as no better than the TR leadership, and will be turned on. They have every reason to support the NC movement.

...but maybe my point of view stems from my corporate aspirations.

[Sabrak]

Originally Posted by NewSith

I would argue with that, because NC have the basement to actually fight for something. I doubt people pulling the strings would have been able to achieve anything if there were no strings to pull. People fighting for NC actually believe in freedom, that's the point.

Well, most NCs probably are idealists freedom fighters, but I see the New Conglomerate as having a core of corporations' mercenaries.
Those mercenaries were the original NC, and with propaganda from the big and rich corporations, the New Conglomerate would eventually be seen as the "freedom fighter", hence people joining them, even if their first goal is/was to fight for "the 1%".

At least, that's how I see it.

And as a NC player, and perhaps a future outfit leader, I see my character more as a mercenary than as a idealist fighter.

[ArbitraryDemise]

Originally Posted by TheDrone

TR are the only thing standing between humanity and oblivion.

It's really that simple.

I support this statement 100%.

[Unforgiven]

as a TR i Agree with Sabrak, the actual NC troops are doing it for the right reasons, but their financial backing will be the ones who take the power, not the troops. its just good business to let someone else hande the dirty work, that way IF they fail, the corporations walk away with clean hands and little to no loss.

but if they win, the corporations take over everything and do whatever they want, and nobody can stop them because now they will have a loyal army to continue the dirty work.

[ArbitraryDemise]

Originally Posted by Vorgan

...but maybe my point of view stems from my corporate aspirations.

By the same token, I come from the opposite side of this discussion. I've always seen corporations, and by extension corporate culture as border-line toxic. Too often political back-stabbing, and nepotism is often used as the reason for the rise and fall of individual careers.

I can see the good in corporations, in many ways they allow technologies to be designed and built on a scale that would otherwise be impossible. Yet, whenever a corporation involves itself in a cause, I find myself remaining leery of such.

After all, a corporation only exists to be profitable.

[Whalenator]

Look at all the TR **** shitting all over this thread

[Vorgan]

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

as a TR i Agree with Sabrak, the actual NC troops are doing it for the right reasons, but their financial backing will be the ones who take the power, not the troops. its just good business to let someone else hande the dirty work, that way IF they fail, the corporations walk away with clean hands and little to no loss.

but if they win, the corporations take over everything and do whatever they want, and nobody can stop them because now they will have a loyal army to continue the dirty work.

Nah that's inaccurate. If the NC lose, those same corporations will be gutted and their leadership imprisoned/executed by the TR.

The corporations oppose the TR because the TR leadership has a habit of nationalizing corporations.

By siding openly with the NC and providing them with advances technology, the corporations are putting themselves on the line just as much as the citizens. While they may not be fighting directly, the reason is obvious: they're civilians, and someone has to provide financial backing. Without the corporations, there is no New Conglomerate.

All they want-- "they" meaning the citizens, soldiers, and corporate figures of the NC-- is freedom from the TR's wanton authoritarianism.

[Vorgan]

Originally Posted by ArbitraryDemise

By the same token, I come from the opposite side of this discussion. I've always seen corporations, and by extension corporate culture as border-line toxic. Too often political back-stabbing, and nepotism is often used as the reason for the rise and fall of individual careers.

I can see the good in corporations, in many ways they allow technologies to be designed and built on a scale that would otherwise be impossible. Yet, whenever a corporation involves itself in a cause, I find myself remaining leery of such.

After all, a corporation only exists to be profitable.

I completely understand where you're coming from there. The evils of corporate culture are readily apparent, which is why corporate oversight is essential.

I worked for a major bank a couple of years back, in their compliance department. My entire job was ensuring that the company was in line with U.S. government regulation, and that our lending practices were focused on revitalizing communities. That bank did more for my city than almost any other group or movement-- far more than our state's federal government. This bank funds community development corporations and the like, making sure that people who need help, get help.

That really has colored my view of corporations, and that's how I look at the NC's corporations. Some are probably opportunistic and looking only to get away from the TR to ensure profits. Others, though, may be led by people who want to use their considerable influence to give people better lives.

In no way does any of this negate your stance, of course; I think we both have legitimate arguments here.

I have to ask, though: what's the appeal of the TR? At least the NC have that element of freedom fighting (which some genuinely believe). Sure, the TR unified earth, but the Chinese Communist Party united disparate parts of modern China, but I imagine many Tibetans and Uyghurs would argue that it wasn't for the best.

[Shiftfaced]

Originally Posted by ArbitraryDemise

After all, a corporation only exists to be profitable.

exactly. And a lot of people feel that profit is an evil thing. There is nothing wrong with making profit. It's just how it's done is the issue in my eyes. Of course corporations will follow the nc bc it is in their best interest. Because of the corporate backing nc gets, it makes it seem a little shady behind closed doors. I agree with freedom and a free market that nc preaches.

On a side note I'm not going nc in game.