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Old 2012-06-13, 11:20 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.
I actually really like that. Corporations are going to sponsor people in Dust. It's going to be used at a mean for control. It's such a fantastic concept.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:24 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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I actually really like that. Corporations are going to sponsor people in Dust. It's going to be used at a mean for control. It's such a fantastic concept.
That neat for you, personally, I'd rather not have to see the "Mountain Dew Crushers vs the Game stop shooters" in a game I am playing.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:27 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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Corporations as in EVE corporations. As in, in Dust you are a mercenary and you can join a mercenary company, and your company can be hired by the massive interstellar corporations that players in EVE use to control star systems. The big EVE corps will also have their own personal mercenary armies which they will sponsor.

The idea, ultimately, is that EVE and Dust will merge very closely. They want EVE industry to produce the weapons and tanks which Dust players purchase and use to fight wars with. Already they're slated to allow corps in EVE to contract Dust mercenary companies to fight for control of planets for them. In Planetside 2, one day you'll take Base X and the next day you'll lose it, repeat ad nauseam. In Dust, the battles you fight could be a part of a massive military campaign that spans both EVE and Dust and involves thousands of players and will be remembered in the history of those games as the Third Great War, or something.

It really is a fantastic concept. I dunno how the actual game is, but it's pretty goddamn ballsy of them to go this route. They're breaking new ground here, and being dismissive of something Planetside 2 could pick a few things up from probably isn't a good attitude to take.

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I know lets make a Fighting game were if you lose you are knocked down all the way back to beginner and lose as your stuff LET SEE HOW WELL THAT GOES OVER!
You are making big assumptions about how expensive items are and how powerful those items are. We don't know specifics yet, but they've alluded to the same sort of idea governing PS2's certs. That is, the gear you buy can give you an edge, but they won't guarantee you a win over someone in default gear. Either way, chances are people will only use their top-of-the-line gear for the most important battles.

But isn't it an interesting idea that you can fight and earn resources and spend them on better stuff? I mean, what if you play Planetside 2 just as infantry? You'll rack up all these resources and eventually you'll unlock all your stuff, and then what? You just sit on a pile of resources. I mean, what if you could spend resources on a Mark 2 version of the heavy assault exosuit that has a 10% bonus to health? Would you consider that a negative? Same concept with Dust equipment from what they've said.

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^This

Nobody wants to play an FPS with their thumbs.
They've confirmed that Dust will have full keyboard/mouse support when it ships. So if you own a PS3 you'll be able to plug a USB keyboard/mouse in and play it as if it were a game on your PC. It's been hinted at that this is because they are preparing to bring the game to the PC sometime after release, but there's been no confirmation of that.

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Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.
You have free versions of weapons/armor/etc that are standard quality and do not disappear when you die. You earn money by fighting. You can spend that money on getting better versions of weapons/armor/etc, although yeah, if you die they're gone. It isn't any different than in Planetside 2, how you fight for territory to gain resources and spend those resources on vehicles/grenades. The only difference is that Dust has far more stuff to buy than just vehicles or consumables.

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Old 2012-06-13, 11:27 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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Dust514 cut me deep being console only. Then out of nowhere Planetside 2 was announced and all was right in the world again.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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They're not comparable, but I will say this planetside 2 wins by a long shot already.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:30 PM   [Ignore Me] #22
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You have free versions of weapons/armor/etc that are standard quality and do not disappear when you die. You earn money by fighting. You can spend that money on getting better versions of weapons/armor/etc, although yeah, if you die they're gone. It isn't any different than in Planetside 2, how you fight for territory to gain resources and spend those resources on vehicles/grenades. The only difference is that Dust has far more stuff to buy than just vehicles or consumables.
Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Originally Posted by Vetto View Post
Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.
Items in DUST are one-death-only. If you want more of them, buy more.

I think you're missing something important here. In the EVE universe, money does buy power.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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Items in DUST are one-death-only. If you want more of them, buy more.

I think you're missing something important here. In the EVE universe, money does buy power.
I mean the gun thing for Planetside 2, As in if you buy a gun in PS2 it is yours you can get it when ever you want and it cost nothing, but things like Max armor, and tanks and such on the other hand do cost resources.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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That neat for you, personally, I'd rather not have to see the "Mountain Dew Crushers vs the Game stop shooters" in a game I am playing.
In Eve "corporations" is the clan system. In game player controlled corporations will be hiring the console-side mercenaries to perform missions that benefit the Eve MMO side.

So no Doritos team.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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So no Doritos team.
http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Desperate%20Dorito's
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboar...ire+Domination
http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Mo...Is%20Delicious

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Old 2012-06-13, 11:43 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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I mean the gun thing for Planetside 2, As in if you buy a gun in PS2 it is yours you can get it when ever you want and it cost nothing, but things like Max armor, and tanks and such on the other hand do cost resources.
I think the way they did it in planetside will most likely do not piss off new comers !

The way they have designed dust the TTK and also the way the weapons work will create huge imbalanced between new comers and vets so the game will be unfair and will die soon because all new comers will get piss !

Thats my tough the best thing about dust is EVE so playing EVE will be better than playing dust llol
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:43 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Originally Posted by Vetto View Post
Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.
Yeah, that's my point. In Planetside 2 there's only one version of a MAX suit per empire and all the weapons have maybe some side-grades, but there's one power level. Meanwhile, you buy vehicles with resources and if your vehicle is blown up, you need to spend resources to buy a new one.

Dust works the same way, except ALL of your items have more powerful versions of which you can spend resources to buy, and if they die you need to spend more money to get them back. There are, as mentioned though, free versions of items and those free versions are competitive with the expensive ("prototype" they called them) versions of those items.

To be clear, when I say money I mean in-game money. During E3 they talked about something similar to Planetside 2, where you can spend their Aurum currency which you pay real world money for to get side-grades for weapons as well.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #29
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Ohh, touche.
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Old 2012-06-13, 11:46 PM   [Ignore Me] #30
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I think the way they did it in planetside will most likely do not piss off new comers !

The way they have designed dust the TTK and also the way the weapons work will create huge imbalanced between new comers and vets so the game will be unfair and will die soon because all new comers will get piss !
What if the best gear in the game is only 5% better than newbie gear? What if the skills Dust mercs learn make them no more than 15% better than a new player? Do you think vets being 20% better in terms of raw stats than new players would be a huge imbalance?

If so, I have news for you...
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