Placing an Importance on Alliances? - Page 2

DarkDragon00 · 2003-03-16, 11:16 PM

Terran Elite Airborne Regiment

SHHHHhhhhhhhhhhH!

eMa dont give away our secret..! Damn Vanu and NC should stay confused while the Terran Outfits become opganized and stronger. Now you gave them an idea.

AGO FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Dark- CO [TEAR]

ps- i really dont think there is anybody in VS or NC strong enough to pick up the weight of something like this (only eMa can) so the Terrans now have an alliance advantage. Contact eMa or me if ur the leader of a terran outfit for some info on alliances (go with eMa she can sign u up, i can only give you TEAR's support and contact eMa), together the Terran will become a force to reckon with.

Big Bro · 2003-03-16, 11:19 PM

Haven't read this whole thread but I'll say what I feel at the risk of repeating someone...

Alliances will be a big key to the success of any faction.

The larger outfits (100s of people) will not necessarily need to worry about being in an alliance, as they have the numbers to do most things.

The smaller outfits (< 20) will NEED to buddy up with other outfits in order to do some good.

So there you have it. Small outfit = needs alliance. Large outfit = doesn't need alliance.

All in all, I think they are good no matter how big you are.

DarkDragon00 · 2003-03-16, 11:24 PM

I say bull SHIP to u Big Bro. Anyone can get an advantage from being in some sort of buddy system. Doesn't matter if they are bg or small.

-Dark- CO [TEAR]

BigDickMccoy · 2003-03-17, 12:17 AM

I agree....Even if you have an outfit of 100's not everyone will be logged on at the same time, there will have to be intra-faction alliances or the faction will do poorly. Even in the military, diffrent regiments/divisions/brigades work with each other because it makes them stronger. I figure everything will run more like rl than most other FPS's because it will be ongoing and need lots of coop

Vimp · 2003-03-17, 01:23 AM

I posted a thread in the official VS forum with regards something simelar to this topic.

Link: http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/p...ML/000797.html

Unfortunatly I havn't seen much of any intelligence in responses to my thread. But never the less I feel it has potential.

Serious Styles · 2003-03-17, 02:02 AM

well lets say two groups want one HGE group destroyed.

Lets call this HUGE group Rome and lets call the smaller but still large groups Attilla and than even smaller groups Visigoths, Alans and Burgundians. Now all these groups share one interest. They want Rome dead so they agree to alliance but soon after Rome is gone things fall apart and the cycle begins again.

If any of this doesnt make sense shoot me k thanks

Diego · 2003-03-17, 07:23 AM

Alliances will be a good and bad thing, at least I think so.

See, some outfit leaders want to just have there own squad/outfit and there own men. They want to be in charge and if they are large enough, they won't need alliances. But if they are small, like some outfits, they might not mind alliances, perhaps to find a home if theres is overun, or a place to hang out and make base for the time being, or to even make some more friends to frag with.

But as far as I go, I don't know if I'd want to make alliances, simpy because I don't know what I would gain from it besides another text document on my desktop until I find the time to make another .php page for my website to put them on...

-Diego

NewmanOnIsland · 2003-03-17, 07:37 AM

I see this entire dynamic happening at one time or another, and a form taking shape inasmuch to the working, player continuity�s, success. This large a group will go through many and adopt many types of organization, many will also fail. My advice to you all is to remember to approach both the micro and the macro part of this game with open minds.

AND HAVE FUN OUT THERE YA!

ps great topic

Airlift · 2003-03-17, 09:45 AM

The main benefit of an alliance over an uberguild is in the reduced administrative overhead. The cost of the alliance is in reduced communication between cells. For an alliance to really pay off, it will need a good site that allows high levels of coordination between the outfits.

eMaGyN · 2003-03-17, 10:34 AM

I, myself, never mentioned anything about the AGO

Although this idea is no secret. If you listened carefully there was talk about the AGO on the outfit roundtable weeks ago.
If the other outfits involved agree, we might go public with this idea whenever the site comes back up.

eMa

Chanfan · 2003-03-17, 03:30 PM

I think that, of course, there will be alliances between outfits.

The whole idea of an outfit is what? To work together.

How could two (or more) groups with this as their basic tenant not work with each other?

I know some groups will either be too elitist, too different in purpose or function, or whatever, to work well with some, or perhaps most, other groups. But I think that most outfits will at least be willing to work together.

Unlike other FPS's, a clan/guild/outfit's goal isn't to defeat all other outfits - but all enemy outfits and troops. Since you are on a side in a war, this changes the dynamic quite a bit.

I think that even larger outfits will need, or still gain advantages from, linking up, even with smaller units. Sure, if you have 100 folks on-line, you are set to attack that base - but it will work even better if that 20 man outfit is attacking a different base at the same time, with the idea of drawing off reenforcements.

I have some experience in a - erm, different - environment were I am part of a team, linked up with other teams of different sizes and skills, and groups of "lone wolfs". This is in a two-sided war format, with each side being made of various groups and individuals. Typically, if there's a few groups, we usually make plans and cooperate (you take their left, we'll take their right flank). If it's a larger conflict, and there's lots of troops, we tend to have an overall commander, with the heads of the different bodies of troops advising with ideas and opinions on his/her groups capabilities. Each group gets a task as part of the overall plan (which, of course, tends to go out the window right after contact with the enemy, but that's war).

I don't see why PS would work too much differently, I'd expect outfits to work together - the difficult part is organization and chain of command structures. The side that gets this well worked out for their outfits will have a distinct advantage.

Hellsfire123 · 2003-03-17, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by DarkDragon00
Terran Elite Airborne Regiment

SHHHHhhhhhhhhhhH!

eMa dont give away our secret..! Damn Vanu and NC should stay confused while the Terran Outfits become opganized and stronger. Now you gave them an idea.

AGO FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Dark- CO [TEAR]

ps- i really dont think there is anybody in VS or NC strong enough to pick up the weight of something like this (only eMa can) so the Terrans now have an alliance advantage. Contact eMa or me if ur the leader of a terran outfit for some info on alliances (go with eMa she can sign u up, i can only give you TEAR's support and contact eMa), together the Terran will become a force to reckon with.

uhhh...... www.housevarnay.com and www.sghq.com . House Varnay is an alliance of vanu and sturmgrenadier....well we all know they wont need much help....

Where exactly was that advantage? i missed it.....

Big Bro · 2003-03-17, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by DarkDragon00
I say bull SHIP to u Big Bro. Anyone can get an advantage from being in some sort of buddy system. Doesn't matter if they are bg or small.

-Dark- CO [TEAR]

Not sure what you mean here DD...but it will matter if you are "big or small". I don't care how great a team you have, numbers will matter. You need bodies to make things happen.

You can buddy up all you want to with your friends and make a great team, but it won't matter in the war unless you coordinate with the overall effort.

All I was saying is that the bodies can either come from a huge uber-outfit...or from a banded-together collection (alliance?) of smaller outfits. Either way, you need the numbers. That was my point initially if I didn't state it well enough.

OmnipotentKiwi · 2003-03-17, 10:03 PM

Simply put, more #s is important, so is alliances.

RageMaster · 2003-03-17, 10:59 PM

All those wannabe commanders who would'nt fight under a level 5 commander because they like to be at the top of the chain better wise up.

Level 5 commaders have lead LOTS of squadmates to LOTS of BEP, earning them enough CEP to max out their command rank. If you see a level 5 commander you can rest assured his strategy and skill is sound enough to do extremely well with a large group of people, and they have all the features that are unlocked by their command rank. So, if you do actually suck at commanding, no-one would want to form up under you, as they can quite clearly see your leadership skills are n00b.

Therefore, if lower commanders of outfits want to forgoe participating in a battle lead by a lvl 5 commander, I'd happily take their place. I know my team would have a distinct use on any strategy he wants to pull, I have a chance to work with and learn from and talk to a 'better' commander, I'd have a chance to score some great BEP for myself and my own outfit, I'd have an awesome and challenging gaming time under his command, and myself and my own outfit members would benefit from this.

But if you want to stick to smalltime, its your choice.