Planetside 2 and Cloud Gaming ? - Page 2

Nemises · 2012-07-02, 09:08 AM

...early days though..."within 10 years", no one will have a high spec PC anymore (at least not for gaming)..
...why should I when I can just play on my iPad the same quality gaming I used to have a $3000 PC for ?

*-edit* to clarify, I am implying that cloud streaming services will become very big...no need for local computing power...just need a low power viewing device, some method for inputs and a network connection.....instead of forking out $3000 , you'll instead pay $300 a year for a "premium" power gaming service...

ChipMHazard · 2012-07-02, 09:35 AM

Cloud gaming might just become the de facto way to play video games, it will however take more than 10 years and, until latency issues become so minute that it's no longer a real issue, PC's are still going to be around.

james · 2012-07-02, 10:23 AM

So the company that can't make money and lost so much money, go out and blow 380 million

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-02, 10:26 AM

Cloud gaming is the future of PC gaming so we better start getting used to the idea now. Of course cloud gaming is kind of new so for it to be totally awesome is still down the road a ways.

Vreki · 2012-07-02, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

Cloud gaming is the future of PC gaming so we better start getting used to the idea now. Of course cloud gaming is kind of new so for it to be totally awesome is still down the road a ways.

Cloud gaming, should it ever happen, will be the death of PC gaming.
You would have to be pretty daft to spend thousands of dollars on a PC, just to get the same streamed expereince as you can get on your Smart TV.

But first you will have to get rid of certain annoying physical contraints, like the speed of ligth in a fibre optic cable, not to mention all the delays in router, switches etc.

Or in other words, someone need to get a Nobel Prize for a major discovery before FPS gaming goes into the cloud.

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-02, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Vreki

Cloud gaming, should it ever happen, will be the death of PC gaming.
You would have to be pretty daft to spend thousands of dollars on a PC, just to get the same streamed expereince as you can get on your Smart TV.

But first you will have to get rid of certain annoying physical contraints, like the speed of ligth in a fibre optic cable, not to mention all the delays in router, switches etc.

Or in other words, someone need to get a Nobel Prize for a major discovery before FPS gaming goes into the cloud.

Its not the speed of light that works against us in cloud gaming its old copper wiring in the middle of everyones network. So yeah this is the future of pc gaming. This is the death of console gaming. As the kinks are worked out, as networks are improved, this is certainly the way to go.

ChipMHazard · 2012-07-02, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Vreki

Cloud gaming, should it ever happen, will be the death of PC gaming.
You would have to be pretty daft to spend thousands of dollars on a PC, just to get the same streamed expereince as you can get on your Smart TV.

But first you will have to get rid of certain annoying physical contraints, like the speed of ligth in a fibre optic cable, not to mention all the delays in router, switches etc.

Or in other words, someone need to get a Nobel Prize for a major discovery before FPS gaming goes into the cloud.

Personally I see it more as the death of consoles, as cloud gaming really is the "ultimate" form of casual gaming.
There will always be people willing to pay for a high end machine and there isn't really any reasons as to why you shouldn't if that's what you want to spend your money on.
Also hardware companies still need to make a living

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-02, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

Personally I see it more as the death of consoles, as cloud gaming really is the "ultimate" form of casual gaming.
There will always be people willing to pay for a high end machine and there isn't really any reasons as to why you shouldn't if that's what you want to spend your money on.
Also hardware companies still need to make a living

I think hardware companies are screwed, kind of like horse and buggy companies were when ford started mass producing the Model T. PCs of the future, will be similar to PCs of today...video card, hard drive, peripheral slots but this stuff would be cheaper than todays because the real computing muscle wont be done by your own machine. Buy a PC for a couple hundred dollars maybe the same price as a console and you will have the computing power of a supercomputer. The promise of cloud computing isnt fully realised yet. But the potentials for expanded pc gaming is pretty awesome.

ChipMHazard · 2012-07-02, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

I think hardware companies are screwed, kind of like horse and buggy companies were when ford started mass producing the Model T. PCs of the future, will be similar to PCs of today...video card, hard drive, peripheral slots but this stuff would be cheaper than todays because the real computing muscle wont be done by your own machine. Buy a PC for a couple hundred dollars maybe the same price as a console and you will have the computing power of a supercomputer. The promise of cloud computing isnt fully realised yet. But the potentials for expanded pc gaming is pretty awesome.

Of course therein lies the problem. Who's going to make say... the high end GPUs for the cloud gaming platforms if the pc gaming market is reduced to low end tech. They might be able to get enough business from the cloud gaming services and/or they might just switch over to making the more expensive industry GPU's. Although I probably shouldn't worry too much about this as I know Nvidia already has cloud gaming solutions. The future is coming and I'm sure the industry is gearing up for it.

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-02, 11:45 AM

I imagine the smart manufacturers have alread geared the R&D into mega gfx processors for cloud computing.

Shade Millith · 2012-07-02, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nemises

...early days though..."within 10 years", no one will have a high spec PC anymore (at least not for gaming)..
...why should I when I can just play on my iPad the same quality gaming I used to have a $3000 PC for ?

*-edit* to clarify, I am implying that cloud streaming services will become very big...no need for local computing power...just need a low power viewing device, some method for inputs and a network connection.....instead of forking out $3000 , you'll instead pay $300 a year for a "premium" power gaming service...

And I'm implying they'll go nowhere, for anyone even remotely into gaming.

Because it will look and play worse. Always.

The resolution and video quality you get from Onlive will NEVER be equal to a locally played game, and you will ALWAYS have control lag, added onto any multiplayer lag.

And as someone who loves his mods, and lives in a rural area, I hope Onlive dies a pitiful, whimpering death.

Sledgecrushr · 2012-07-02, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Shade Millith

And I'm implying they'll go nowhere, for anyone even remotely into gaming.

Because it will look and play worse. Always.

The resolution and video quality you get from Onlive will NEVER be equal to a locally played game, and you will ALWAYS have control lag, added onto any multiplayer lag.

Its like the guys who said the horse and buggy will ALWAYS be better than these loud clanking stinky newfangled auto mobiles. Its really funny to read an opinion saying that NOW is as good as it gets and nothing will ever or should ever change. Are you still playing Doom1?

Doxy · 2012-07-02, 12:23 PM

Cloud gaming if applied right, could overthrow consoles and be the next Facebook in few years.

maradine · 2012-07-02, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Shade Millith

The resolution and video quality you get from Onlive will NEVER be equal to a locally played game, and you will ALWAYS have control lag, added onto any multiplayer lag.

This is actually not the case. Most server instancing will be local to the OnLive cloud. The lag is not additive - you are trading additional input and display latency for the virtual elimination of client-server latency. There will be more perceptual lag, but less state conflict resolution stuff on the back end for the server to arbitrate.

I don't expect most FPS enthusiasts to cross over to this model. FPS enthusiasts, however, are a small fraction fo the gaming space and not the target market.

Nasher · 2012-07-02, 12:45 PM

It will be a very long time before cloud gaming is viable. Most people are still on the same quality/speed connections they were 10 years ago, which just aren't good enough :/

Even if everyone had 100mbit fibre there still wouldn't be enough bandwidth to go around on the back end. Especially for something like gaming, which needs instant response times. If you try something like Onlive now on a "normal" connection it's laggy, un-responsive and the picture quality is more like something you would expect to see on (non-HD) youtube...not good.