"Controlling" world populace - Page 2

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-07-16, 08:35 AM

The first step, as I see it, would be the worldwide emancipation of women. Allowing them access to the education and resources necessary to regulate their own fertility, and get them off the "animal cycle" of servitude and breeding that so many world religions regulate them to. This would not only go a long way towards checking population, but also to improving the world economy so that it could support the number of people we already have.

We can figure out step two after we clear THAT hurdle, which will be never, because religion is here to stay. As Darwin said, for as long as people fear death, there will be religions. That's likely to be a very long time.

ziegler · 2012-07-16, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

The first step, as I see it, would be the worldwide emancipation of women. Allowing them access to the education and resources necessary to regulate their own fertility, and get them off the "animal cycle" of servitude and breeding that so many world religions regulate them to. This would not only go a long way towards checking population, but also to improving the world economy so that it could support the number of people we already have.

right.....you actually honestly think that....baby momma is popping out welfare checks because baby jesus told her to?.......

We could go the China route of course, and I know plenty of you look up to them, and we could let the state determine who is allowed to procreate and who isnt....better yet even, we could go full nazi and just kill the ones that are defective and neuter anyone who is found to have...less than approved genetics. That should work out really well.

OR...the US and Aussie could just stop exporting their extra food stuffs and let the third world nations starve out. That should be good for a billion or so. According to Marx, they dont pull their weight in society anyways so should be shunned and not benefit from society.

Baneblade · 2012-07-16, 11:16 AM

Or just mandate vasectomies in all males, and only allow a reversal if they pay for it. That will solve a hell of a lot of problems... including this abortion thing.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-07-16, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Or just mandate vasectomies in all males, and only allow a reversal if they pay for it. That will solve a hell of a lot of problems... including this abortion thing.

Nah, I think we can come up with a solution without making compulsory decisions about other people's bodies. I'm mad enough that my family circumcised me. I'd hate the idea that they crawled around inside my groin, snipping tubes. I'll decide what's best there, thank you very much.

Worth noting: I'm whole, I've had sex before, and I've managed not to father any kids. It's possible, and in fact quite easy.

Warborn · 2012-07-16, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I was poking fun at our willingness to slaughter each other before we are born, but after that we would rather enslave, kill, or starve millions rather then make a proactive decision to make it obsolete.

If you want you can start an abortion thread so I can tell you why you're wrong.

Overpopulation is not really such a big deal. Stuff like running out of oil will become a problem before overpopulation is. Even if we managed to keep ourselves going until we're crowded, we'd just have a dying out like any other species and then slowly ascend back up. It'd be like the Black Plague. A bunch of people would die, but we'd still keep on trucking.

And as the other people said is true. Once women aren't under the heel of men and forced to do with their bodies what men tell them to do, birth rate declines a lot. Educated, emancipated women who have actual lives to live do something other than crank out 10 kids before dying, generally.

Baneblade · 2012-07-16, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

If you want you can start an abortion thread so I can tell you why you're wrong.

Or we can skip all that and continue to think less of each other.

Neurotoxin · 2012-07-16, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

And as the other people said is true. Once women aren't under the heel of men and forced to do with their bodies what men tell them to do, birth rate declines a lot. Educated, emancipated women who have actual lives to live do something other than crank out 10 kids before dying, generally.

Agree.

Also, this.

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Or just mandate vasectomies in all males, and only allow a reversal if they pay for it. That will solve a hell of a lot of problems... including this abortion thing.

This will bring revolution quicker than a draft. Police will be shot dead at people's doorsteps, national guard will have conflicts in the streets with revolutionaries. All those guns that Libertarians stored up over the years will help to arm entire communities.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-07-16, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

This will bring revolution quicker than a draft. Police will be shot dead at people's doorsteps, national guard will have conflicts in the streets with revolutionaries. All those guns that Libertarians stored up over the years will help to arm entire communities.

Haha. Dunno why, but this made me remember a famous quote by Florynce Kennedy:

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

Baneblade · 2012-07-16, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

This will bring revolution quicker than a draft. Police will be shot dead at people's doorsteps, national guard will have conflicts in the streets with revolutionaries. All those guns that Libertarians stored up over the years will help to arm entire communities.

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-07-16, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

Are you suggesting that an unconstitutional mandate forcing men to get vasectomies, and then a bloody resultant revolution, would be a good thing?

Warborn · 2012-07-16, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

Are you suggesting that an unconstitutional mandate forcing men to get vasectomies, and then a bloody resultant revolution, would be a good thing?

Libertarians have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to protecting ARE FREEDOMS

Actually I agree. I think at this point you could do with your nation being burned to ash while the survivors scrabble together what shards of civilization they can. Maybe that's what people really need to see the bigger picture, and how life is in the places they've seen on TV getting bombs dropped on them.

Sirisian · 2012-07-16, 04:47 PM

This thread turned dark fast. You don't have to kill people. I don't know why people jump to eugenics when population control is brought up. It's not necessary at all.

Baneblade · 2012-07-16, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

Libertarians have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to protecting ARE FREEDOMS

I didn't buy my 'AR-15' for nothing.

CutterJohn · 2012-07-17, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by ziegler

right.....you actually honestly think that....baby momma is popping out welfare checks because baby jesus told her to?.......

We could go the China route of course, and I know plenty of you look up to them, and we could let the state determine who is allowed to procreate and who isnt....better yet even, we could go full nazi and just kill the ones that are defective and neuter anyone who is found to have...less than approved genetics. That should work out really well.

The sad thing is, it has rather worked out well. It is estimated that the 1 child laws have lowered chinas population by 5-700 million people.

As bad as the law sounds, I cannot say it was entirely unwarranted, and it may have prevented more suffering than it caused.

Figment · 2012-07-17, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I didn't buy my 'AR-15' for nothing.

Yeah let him have his chance at wanton murder killing sprees before his life is over!

There's a little serial killer in all Libertarians, just waiting to get out to protect their freedoms at the cost of that of others? xD