Remove camping spawn buildings from meta game - Page 2

Marinealver · 2012-10-18, 05:03 AM

That would require some decient thought in the world design

Instead this is what you get.

Deal with it you aint getting paid to make a game, you aint paying them to make a game. you are paying a mega-corp who is paying a group of developers to make a game.

Babyfark McGeez · 2012-10-18, 08:55 AM

Spawncamping is not generally the problem imo. As being said it will happen to a base being overwhelmed at some point. It happened in PS1, it will happen here.

The issue is, spawncamping is being made ridicously easy in PS2. It's the same that applies to the actual capturing of bases, i just don't get why you can do it both WITH VEHICLES.
Why are spawn rooms so often some hut outside the actual base where you can just park a tank infront of it and let the defenders run into their demise as soon as the first tank arrives at that base.
Once more, it's not the spawncamping itself that is annoying, it is how easy it is to do. Move the spawnrooms below surface, make them so only infantry troops can spawncamp it (as a good example here, the main area of the bio-labs).

Actually i believe that making both capturing points and spawn rooms only being able to be reached "on foot" without vehicles / aircrafts would help several issues the game currently has (flow of battle, spawncamping, tank rushes, tdm behaviour, the "too open" base design).

EisenKreutzer · 2012-10-18, 10:14 AM

Honestly, I agree. Every battle I was in yesterday ended with us camping the enemy spawn room waiting for the base to flip. You can't just up and leave, because then the guys in the spawn room will take the base back half a minute later. So youre stuck waiting outside the spawn room, impotently shooting at the force fields in the hopes of catching one of the guys inside in an unwary moment.

Honestly, it feels sort of boring. There has to be a better way of solving this issue than how it is currently?

Canaris · 2012-10-18, 10:16 AM

they removed waiting for hack and replaced it with waiting for spawn room

TheRagingGerbil · 2012-10-18, 10:35 AM

I'd love to see some tunnels connecting the buildings together. Maybe even a duct or something you duck into that runs from the spawn to the other buildings?

There were a couple of bunkers in PS1 that were linked by little tunnels. Always fun little firefights in those.

Babyfark McGeez · 2012-10-18, 11:23 AM

Tunnels would work fine imo.

Miir · 2012-10-18, 01:26 PM

In the end the best thing they could implement is something that keeps the fighting exciting.

Maybe putting a portal in the spawn room that allows you to teleport (one way) to other secure areas around the base/outpost/towers.

I know these spots would likely get camped as well. But as long as they were in places that vehicles can't get to easily. Then it would come down to infantry/Max only battles. They could have the room where you teleport to be equipped with a shielded doorways similar to the biolab so you could clear the immediate area before pushing out.

Seems like they have all these things already in game.

Also move all the capture points inside buildings so they can't be camped easily by vehicles.

Tunnels or a way to move from building to building without the option of going outside would be great.

Crator · 2012-10-18, 10:33 PM

^^ I actually like that idea Dj. So a mega-router

But about the spawns, they really do need to be inside behind walls or underground, away from vehicle spam. Why they moved the majority of spawn rooms outside is beyond me. They could make it diverse.

For instance, I actually don't have an issue with the spawn room being outside at The Crown. I'd like to see it placed on the north side of the tower, on the hillside. With the hillside providing protection from vehicle spam at the exits of it. A quick run south to the tower to defend it from a south attack. This will give the south attackers a better chance at actually gaining ground while still allowing the defenders to use better strategy in defending The Crown.

But there's other cases that the land structures around the outpost or tower do make sense to have the spawns inside or underground. To make locations more diverse in how to attack them.

EDIT: My north/south were mixed up in the above text but I just fixed it. My dyslexia showing .

Aaron · 2012-10-18, 11:33 PM

There should just be a set of defensible stages before the attackers reach the spawn tubes. If the attackers do get to the spawn tubes, they should be able to destroy them and end the fight. Also, the spawning room should not be accessible to vehicles (preferably underground).

You wouldn't even need spawn shields with this setup. The spawn defense stages should be fairly spacious and quite defensible. The players that use the base's defenses should be the "shield" instead, and if they fail then the war ends without any spawn camping. You would get more of a situation were attackers and defenders are pushing against each other, instead of defenders getting instagibed out of the spawn doorway.

However, what if the attackers simply destroy the spawn tubes before anyone notices? If you don't want that to happen, then maybe the spawn room should only be opened to attackers once they get further down the base hack progress (25%? 50%? 75%?).

Stanis · 2012-10-19, 05:54 AM

If they made every base a wall courtyard with a tower in the centre. two shielded entrances and a resupply tower.

Every base would effectively be PS1.
They'd also be easier to defend. Something to actually fight over.
Tanks unable to camp the spawn room door.

The spawn locations need redesigns. The base layouts are swiss cheese.

I get we are supposed to fight - but have you noticed how towers and Biolabs are the places those fights happen? It's because the defenders have a hope in hell of holding out against numerical superiority. AKA: The Zerg..

Figment · 2012-10-19, 08:24 AM

Note, this is ONE guy (of course Dachlatte always been a good tanker, but as you can see Dachlatte also finds this rather ridiculously easy).

So. Let's blame the enemy for getting farmed? ...

Aaron · 2012-10-19, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

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Note, this is ONE guy (of course Dachlatte always been a good tanker, but as you can see Dachlatte also finds this rather ridiculously easy).

So. Let's blame the enemy for getting farmed? ...

That guy has got a good shot...and framerate xD

Anyway, I'm missing your point.

Figment · 2012-10-19, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Aaron

That guy has got a good shot...and framerate xD

Anyway, I'm missing your point.

Hint: a few minutes in, hovering over a base. Ask yourself how you can fight back as a defender in that position.

Aaron · 2012-10-19, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Hint: a few minutes in, hovering over a base. Ask yourself how you can fight back as a defender in that position.

Oh, sorry. I was clicking through and I must of skipped it. Yeah, that is a pretty good example.

Miir · 2012-10-22, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

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Note, this is ONE guy (of course Dachlatte always been a good tanker, but as you can see Dachlatte also finds this rather ridiculously easy).

So. Let's blame the enemy for getting farmed? ...

This video is a great example. Does farming really add anything to the game?