Suicidal Pilots? - Page 2

Juryrig · 2012-12-04, 03:29 PM

*note to anyone shooting me down* I've bound a key to 'nose down' that used to be bound to 'afterburner'. My muscle memory hasn't caught up with the change yet. If I nosedive spectacularly into the ground the second you start damaging me, it's not deliberate.

Furber · 2012-12-04, 04:01 PM

I'd like to see the "Bailing Mechanism Failed" return for, say, vehicles with <10%. It's way too easy to avoid death in vehicles unless you take massive burst damage.

Rbstr · 2012-12-04, 04:17 PM

If I'm on fire I often try to get the the ground and hop out to repair.

It's say it's about 45/45/10% on crash/jumpouttooearlyanddie/greatsuccess.

SixShooter · 2012-12-04, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Furber

I'd like to see the "Bailing Mechanism Failed" return for, say, vehicles with <10%. It's way too easy to avoid death in vehicles unless you take massive burst damage.

I would love to see this with possibly having the ejection seat cert overide it. Since it costs 500 certs and you would be giving up flares I think it would be a fair trade.

It would also be cool to get the credit for the kill if they crash within a second or two of taking damage from you.

SgtExo · 2012-12-04, 05:12 PM

As a dedicated light assault, I often use a reaver to get to the top of a tech plant when I cant drop pod onto it. Also, because my reaver is still low on certs, it gets shot down very fast, so I like to know that I can can a few hits in then bail and help the ground forces. I know it can seem cheap that you didnt get a kill, but you could always try to hunt down the person to get your full xp for a kill.

Ertwin · 2012-12-04, 05:43 PM

If I'm under fire, I'll get close to the ground, and bail to live another day. It's just like infantry taking cover, or a tanker ditching their tank when they know they can't save it.

It would be stupid not to try to save yourself.

Saintlycow · 2012-12-04, 05:45 PM

I crashed yesterday after an intense 3 minute dog fight. I felt bad for the guy though. He earned that kill...

Dragonskin · 2012-12-04, 07:50 PM

My only concern with disabling the exit vehicle is what if you are at 5-10% and manage to get to safety. Now you can't repair your vehicle because you can't get out?

I dislike people bailing too.. but not sure that this is the right answer to solve the issue.

Hamma · 2012-12-05, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ertwin

If I'm under fire, I'll get close to the ground, and bail to live another day. It's just like infantry taking cover, or a tanker ditching their tank when they know they can't save it.

It would be stupid not to try to save yourself.

It's the same as typing /suicide just as you are about to die. It's cheap.

Juryrig · 2012-12-05, 10:34 AM

Got shot down several times yesterday. Didn't bail out once (although did have a couple of CNIT incidents whilst trying to escape).

I may be shit, but I can be shit and proud

Sawboss · 2012-12-05, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

It's the same as typing /suicide just as you are about to die. It's cheap.

I disagree, I often fly in really close to the ground and throttle down in an attempt to survive if i know i'm gonna get shot down. I'm just using the game mechanics to try and survive a situation. Doesn't always work though cos i'm usually an engineer

but if I manage to pull it off it's very satisfying and suddenly i'm in a 'behind enemy lines' sort of situation.

If people are genuinely just burning into the ground out of spite of their attacker, I dunno, maybe give the kill to the last person to damage them?

Hamma · 2012-12-05, 10:49 AM

I'm talking about people that are straight up bailing not attempting to land and repair.

So yes, people are just abandoning their vehicles and cratering rather than giving the pursuer a kill.

Sawboss · 2012-12-05, 10:56 AM

Then the damage thing! If I bail out and my plane flys off and explodes and i'm bouncing down the side of a mountain on half health before falling into a canyon and dying, at least one of the people who shot me down should get a kill for it.

Dragonskin · 2012-12-05, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

I'm talking about people that are straight up bailing not attempting to land and repair.

So yes, people are just abandoning their vehicles and cratering rather than giving the pursuer a kill.

I understand what you are talking about, but unless there is an out of combat timer that allows you to exit the vehicle if you don't take damage after so long then anyone in a ESF would be locked in at 5-10% vehicle HP until they die unless an outside source repaired them.

Also.. even if you were actually out of true combat you still take damage once you go red because you are on fire.. you can land and safely repair as long as no one attacks you, but in this instance you would still be taking damage so I doubt a out of combat timer would trigger.. locking you in your vehicle at whatever threshold (5-10%).

Of course there is the exstinguisher perk, but then you would force someone to use that so they could effectively repair after going red... and they wouldn't be able to take composite armor.

So like I said.. bailing pilots are annoying, but how do you fix that without interferring with other portions of the game?

Tooterfish · 2012-12-05, 11:59 AM

Battlefield attributes a kill if your prey suicides at the last second, regardless of whether it was an attempt to repair or possibly jump out low enough to the ground and survive. Because if I had ultimately orchestrated the events that ended you, I am thus the victor. Say what ever you want, "I tried to repair and crashed", "I got nervous and over steered into the ground", or "I wanted to see if I could jump out and not be killed", it doesn't change the fact that you died because I out played you.

Crashing deliberately, on the other hand, is as good as griefing in my book.