New NC SMG, AF-4 Cyclone, is perfect for LAs and infiltrators. - Page 2

Utne · 2013-02-04, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Sadly, that was the previous step in beta. ;p

As a long term infil (again, 8-9 years of PS1 playing 80% of my time as infil), pistols and limited explosives are sufficient. Infils need meaningful objectives to open passages to their allies, sabotage and have some sort of advantage in taking over by stealth.

Melee power for infils sure, but basically we're talking AMP cloakers froms PS1 here, those wern't infiltrating, but people continuously looking for quick and easy kills. But at least the SMG of that time period was inferior to shotguns and rifles in all aspects but size and slot needed, including TTK, accuracy, clip and range.

I'd prefer not having sniper rifles, scout rifles and SMG's if it made infiltrators what they were in PS1.

So much cooler.

ShadetheDruid · 2013-02-04, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Utne

I'd prefer not having sniper rifles, scout rifles and SMG's if it made infiltrators what they were in PS1.

So much cooler.

With the customisation system we have, there's no reason the different infil playstyles can't co-exist. They just need to all be supported.

duomaxwl · 2013-02-04, 07:58 AM

I'd prefer getting a cert system for the old unlimited cloak, complete invisible while standing still and can only use a pistol/firing while cloaked. Until that happens, I'm perfect fine with cloakers having SMGs.

Sturmhardt · 2013-02-04, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Utne

I thought the fact that they had less overall health than all other classes was that counter. It's 12 seconds of being semi-translucent coupled with a noise when you enter or exit the cloak. What, are LA's completely OP because their jetpack is silent and they can sneak up on people as well? They can even do it with a shotgun if they want to.

I've got the SMG for my infiltrator, and it's great fun, but it doesn't allow me to do anything I couldn't do as a LA. They still flank just as well(or better, depending on who you talk to).

It's basically a carbine with less bullets(25), that performs terrible at range. Anything outside of 20-30m isn't worth engaging.

Shotguns/carbines are still superior in CQC to the SMG.

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

???

This gun does less damage than many LMGs. It has a MUCH smaller clip. And its range is really shot.
It has a role for a class like HA but its mostly for average and worse type players who are willing to give up range and capacity for ease of use.

I don't know if we are using the same cyclone - I bought it and it fucking rips everything apart on close to medium range with the two laser sights and a compensator. It's not of much use on longer ranges, but it doesn't need to be. If I use the SMG and see you first within a certain range (close to med) you WILL die. Nobody can react so fast, you are just dead meat. The clip may be small, but the damage per bullet seems to be high enough to drop anyone within splitseconds. Reloadtime is so small I can easily reload between encounters. These things are as powerful as shotguns on close range, and they were taken away from infils for a good reason during beta and I hope they take the SMGs away from them too.

There is no other NC gun I have used that is that strong and mobile in QCQ. The GD-7F comes close with it's high ROF, but is much harder to control.

SMGs are REALLY strong if you know how to aim and I believe they should not be in infiltrator hands because we already have flying rambos (LA), we don't need invisible rambos.

Stellarthief · 2013-02-04, 10:05 AM

Can anyone take a look and post the stats to the new SMGs?

ShadetheDruid · 2013-02-04, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Stellarthief

Can anyone take a look and post the stats to the new SMGs?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mc&output=html

Stellarthief · 2013-02-04, 10:11 AM

Holy crap @ NC version. 167 damage per hit.

Baneblade · 2013-02-04, 10:19 AM

It has the dmg and low clip NC weapons are supposed to have, but accuracy rivaling the other empires. I use it with the Reflex sight and extended mag (havent felt a need to use anything else yet) and it performs great in CQB, and is still competitive at medium range with the sight.

It has replaced the Sweeper as my weapon of choice.

Dragonskin · 2013-02-04, 10:21 AM

I picked up the VS smg and love it. It really fits my playstyle because I like to be up closer to the action with my Engie. It's also amazing for the infiltrators.. SMG + the added effect of cloak canceling laser sights = beast mode. Makes me glad that I didn't buy the Artemis because I feel the SMG completely replaces it.

It does get out performed by range.. it has a small clip size and chews through bullets fast. So I think the gun is actually fairly balanced.

Dragonskin · 2013-02-04, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Stellarthief

Holy crap @ NC version. 167 damage per hit.

NC version is also the slowest firing of the three 650 or so rmp with the VS in the middle at 750 rmp and the TR at 845 rmp.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-04, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

It's perfect for LA, but infiltrators should not have that kind of firepower. They should be the lurkers in the shadows and/or snipers, not invisible rambos.

Um, now they are Infiltrators.

in·fil·trate (n-fltrt, nfl-)
v. in·fil·trat·ed, in·fil·trat·ing, in·fil·trates
v.tr.
1.
a. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
b. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
2. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.

Stellarthief · 2013-02-04, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

NC version is also the slowest firing of the three 650 or so rmp with the VS in the middle at 750 rmp and the TR at 845 rmp.

That's more than adequate RoF to completely own you from the side or behind before you can react.

Dragonskin · 2013-02-04, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Stellarthief

That's more than adequate RoF to completely own you from the side or behind before you can react.

What gun can't you own some one from the side or behind with?

Sturmhardt · 2013-02-04, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

What gun can't you own some one from the side or behind with?

Many, my NS11a for example. You are not INSTANTLY dead if I shoot at you with it, so if you are smart you start sprinting after the first shot hits you and you might get away. With the SMG there is literally no chance to get away. That's okay for a CQC weapon in general, but in the hands of an invisible man... I don't know.

Stellarthief · 2013-02-04, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

Many, my NS11a for example. You are not INSTANTLY dead if I shoot at you with it, so if you are smart you start sprinting after the first shot hits you and you might get away. With the SMG there is literally no chance to get away. That's okay for a CQC weapon in general, but in the hands of an invisible man... I don't know.

exactly.

in CQC it's deadly accurate, still has high RoF, low recoil, high bullet damage and if you manage your ammo a lightning fast reload time.

The VS one I find balance with my carbine. But this NC one looks fantastic. Would love to use it myself