X2 Thread, READ IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE. SPOILERS IN SIDE - Page 2

Khronos · 2003-05-04, 01:31 AM

about the Reloaded twins.
im not even close to 100% sure about the twins...i havent really looked into it, but this is what ive taken from the trailers.
Neo says "hmm upgrades."
maybe he is referring to the twins as like enhanced agents that can like "shift" in and out of the matrix so they can phase through objects and stuff.

again, speculation from me hehe.

[edit: check this out
http://filmforce.ign.com/matrix/arti.../373254p1.html ]

Jimbo · 2003-05-04, 01:55 AM

Off topic but here's the scoop on the twins from Matrix: Reloaded

The Twins

snowwolfe · 2003-05-04, 02:22 AM

Just got back from seeing X2, X2= Teh 1337!

Plain and simple, badass movie, wolverine was the best.

�io · 2003-05-04, 04:14 AM

Prof X needs the X-men because 1- He's not eternal, he will be gone "soon" and he wants to make sure that someone will carry on his legacy 2- He can't bridge the gap between mutants and humans alone 3- He's not a killer, he's not even much of an action guy, he's the sideline player, giving but not doing the orders

MDK · 2003-05-04, 11:50 AM

Awesome movie... but their attempt at drama at the end sorta failed with Cyclops... I laughed my ass off at him, as did the 5 other guys I watched it with. Hugh Jackman? Very good in that scene.

I wasn't expecting some sorta Mystique-Wolverine love thing... Hah, "No one leaves a scar quite like you." That made me laugh too. But the way that was done, with her changing forms to Jean, Storm, Rogue and back to Jean was really cool.

"I can help."
"Help them."
That pissed me off. Damn... Colossus woulda been an amazing addition, but there really was no part for him in the rest of the movie... here's hoping for X3.

Jean... *sighs softly* They brought out the Phoenix way too quick... and for the wrong reasons. I can't remember, but did they show images of Jean's dreams? Maybe that's a glimpse into X3? Still, she did more this time, I'm thankful for that. But when everyone thought she died... Cyclops... ROFL.

I thought there was going to be some NightCrawler-Mystique romance... they had one brief convo, but he seemed so enthralled by her. *shrugs*

Halle Berry - There's not much to say... simply...

Spider · 2003-05-04, 11:58 AM

lol when Nightcrawler hangs by his tail listening to them

I laughed at that part^

�io · 2003-05-04, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by MDK
I thought there was going to be some NightCrawler-Mystique romance... they had one brief convo, but he seemed so enthralled by her. *shrugs*

Man if they do that type of story in X3 that will be one thing they REALLY change from the comics, other things are slight modifications but going from Mother-Son (comics) to lovers would be very weird for comic fans.

And as i said many times i too wish Colossus was shown more, i have a feeling though he will be in X3.

Khronos · 2003-05-04, 02:49 PM

eww nightcrawler n mystique...

thats just not right in my book

i laughed when deathstrike whipped out her claws and wolverine was like "shit"

Strygun · 2003-05-04, 11:10 PM

Just went to see X2 today...

I have to say nightcrawler is my favorite character. I've always been a huge fan of flight and/or teleportation, and nightcrawler has it all. The way he can just teleport around wherever he wants (w/in range I suppose..) is just awesome. There should definatly be more of him in the next movie.

Now, I never followed the xmen comic books, so I didn't know about the whole jean/phoenix thing. I thought she really had killed herself when the water was rushing around, and my explaination was that hey, she does firey things, so if she turns herself into a big ball of fire and then gets crushed by water, he's extinguished which = death. However, @ the end when you see the shadow moving across the water.. I was pretty sure it had something to do with jean, but I thought it was just a jet or something.. not a phoenix.

Colossus definatly should be in the next movie.

I really thought magneto was gonna be a good guy and save the mutants/humans there. Very nice plot twist.

Wolverine Vs. Weird Fingernail Lady? Awesome.

Pyro.. learned to hate that guy..

Mystique.. I almost thought she was gonna betray Magneto while she was telling Jason what to do. I still think she will in X3.

I want to see more of Storm. In the cartoon version on TV she could fly by herself (I suppose by getting the wind to lift her up). That'd be nice to see.

Cyclops - didn't play a big role in this film, woulda been nice to see more.

Gambit - Man I really wish he was in there. He was always my favorite in the cartoon show. I can see why he was left out though.. think about being a director with 10k playing cards flying out of a guy's sleeve.. you know that's hard to do...

Iceman - They did a good job w/ him, he shoulda played a larger role however.

Rogue - What was her power again, I can't remember.. someone help me out here

Khronos · 2003-05-05, 06:14 AM

Rogue absorbs other mutants' powers when she touches them. It also hurts the mutant and makes them weaker for a period of time.

You can see this when she touches Pyro's leg and puts out the fire to save the police officers.

Pilgrim · 2003-05-05, 10:48 AM

X2 was awesome.

As an old school fan I gotta say they did some things VERY right.

1) Wolverine said "bub" at least twice, and went berserk... no more soft fluffy wolvie like in the first.

2) They kept nightcrawler devout. I was worried they'd cut what was an important part of his character in such an ensemble cast.

3) They kept the whole school thing, but minimized it and shuffled it off to the side nicely so we could concentrate on what mattered... very well done.

4) Phoenix!!!

(for the non-uber-dorks out there... Jean saves the team durring a re-entry from space, the radiation is killing her... Alien entity comes to her and offers to save her, jean says yes, alien puts her to sleep, make a genetic copy, WHALAA Phoenix. Phoenix is all powerful meanwhile, Jean sleeps on the bottom of the atlantic. Great power and all Phoenix, who doesn't remember that she really isn't Jean, goes crazy, becomes Dark Phoenix. Wipes out a few billion people in different star systems, feels bad, kills herself. Few years later, and a Madelyn Pryor later, Jean wakes up, takes up old life. Don't see them doing that story, but just for you who have never read it)

Of course they did a few things wrong.... well sorta.

1) Rogue should no be able to even briefly touch bobby, yet alone kiss him. Should have knocked him cold. (pun intended)

2) DeathStrike. IS NOT A MUTANT. Never was, they did a good job of implying things about her, but they left too much of an impresion that she was just another muttie... she's a cyborg... with motivations all her own for going after wolvie. Nice to bring back a Wolvie MAin-stay, but when dealing with the Weapon-X project, it would have been far more appropriate to use Sabertooth or even Silver-Fox (both in the project with wolvie)

3) Stryker. not really a problem, just an amalgrym of several characters from the books... but if they wanted to pay hommage to teh fans it woulda been hella cool if they'd given him one hand (all you old school fans know why!)

All-in-all a great movie, woulda been hard to imagine it much better!

PAX

MushuuTerra · 2003-05-05, 12:34 PM

Ok, That deathstrike was a Cyborg? I never knew...But that guy used that liquid stuff in the back of her neck to control her, why would he need to do that on a cyborg?

ps.

Mystique is hot.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-05-05, 12:37 PM

Iceman didn't freeze the dam for a couple of reasons I think. First I seriously doubt his powers were developed enough to even try that. Second would be once the water was inside the damn (after it started to crack) freezing it would be bad since the water would expand causing even more structural damage Finally if you're talking about freezing it once they were outside and trying to take off that would be a really bad idea. If you noticed, him freezing things takes some time at his current stage of development meaning that rather than creating a protectove wall, all he would have done is freeze part of the water. I'd rather have just water coming at me than water mixed with large chunks of ice

Th reason Jason Styker was able to talk X into trying to obliterate the human race is because that's what he does, he manipulated people by basically taking over their minds with illusions.

Gambit is one of my favorite X-men, but I'm glad he's not in it (no I don't count a 1 second shot of his name in a computer). He'd have to either be a teenager, which I'd hate, or they'd have to trow out the whole Rouge/Gambit thing which is one of the defining traits of his character and probably the only reason he stayed with the X-men instead of being a ciminal. That and I can just imagine the butchering of his accent

Collossus, another one of my favorites, was also in the movie. I sorta wish they would have been a little more true to him ( he's not a very buff 16 year old he's a very buff man in his 20;s with a thick Russian accent) but watching people try to shoot him then seeing those people fly through a wall was priceless.

The Gean Grey phoenix thing doesn't follow the comic books because that's a rather involved storyline that would end up being three movies by itself if it followed the comic books to the letter.

Nightcrawler is one of my favorites but he never struck me as the time to kick ass type ala wolverine in the comic books. While I have loved the opening fight scene and one more fight scene with him owning people would have been cool, I'm kind of glad there wasn't one.

Lady Deathstrike was nothing like what she's supposed to be, but her fight with Wolverine was great anyways. Would have been nice to see them include the actual story behind why she'd want to kick his ass, but oh well. On a side not I'm so glad they finally let Wolverine let loose in that Mansion attack sequence. That is exactly how Wolverine would have reacted, stabbing people left and right lol

Hank McCoy was in the move in his pre beast form on a debate on TV. Makes me wonder if he'll appear in the 3rd one (hope so Beast is a kinda cool character). Oh yeah and Wolverine definately should have hit that. Sure she's blue, but really she's whatever you're in the mood for

�io · 2003-05-05, 02:09 PM

For Gambit they could simply use the cartoon guy, he's excellent (i wished they did that for Colossus and Rogue) of course that's assuming those people know how to act and could play the parts.

As for Beast i agree they should put him in but as Ebert & Ropert said they already have too many characters and they have a hard time following them all so most likely he won't be there or will do a lame 3 sec apperance a la colossus.

Airlift · 2003-05-05, 05:00 PM

I wished, and still hope that they would leave out the entire phoenix saga and go straight to Cameron Hodge and Genosha. The XTinction Agenda was the best XMen story arc of all time.