News: Resolved - PS2 Region

[Ragefighter]

Originally Posted by Chinchy

I'm more happy than sad about this I won't have to see ruskies or CN or BR did you know statistically the BR have the biggest hacking to non-hacking ratio in the world. Kinda sad that the rest of EU and Aussie is segregated from us there isn't much of a cultural barrier there dunno whats up with that.

is there any word that Aussie players are included in this? I figured they would be put in with the US.

[Ragefighter]

Originally Posted by Lonehunter

I just want to point out Planetside 2 won't be the only game this happens to. So the decision SOE is making with this change isn't dependent on our community.

I'm sure our opinion matters, and I'm sure there are Clans in those games who don't want to be split. But I don't think it's going to effect them as much because they've had more European servers then PS1.

In PS1 the American servers seemed like the popular global choice, so naturally we have a bigger uproar about being split up.

lol the other communities are pissed off too.
the EQ2 players are really pissed, ready to form an angry mob with pitchforks and torches =p

other games they sell can be played with like pings of 300+ and have little issues. so it is not a huge deterrent for them to choose a far away server if it means more dense population.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by Tatwi

Thank copyright and power mongering "anti-terrorism" lobbying for crap like this, which is clearly designed to facilitate surveillance by regional authority and curtail cross cultural uprising against the establishment. Don't think so? Keep up with news...

THIS ^

Severely limiting my enthusiasm for PS2. More so than no veh ent/exit animations.

[The Admiral]

The ping argument is dross, anyone who plays on DSL is going to have a 150+ ping that is worse than someone in Europe with cable, should we put them on a separate lag server as well?

[Beagle]

In modern business, it's important to always go for maximum profit even at the cost of completely fucking over your incredibly supportive customer base.

[Chinchy]

Originally Posted by The Admiral

The ping argument is dross, anyone who plays on DSL is going to have a 150+ ping that is worse than someone in Europe with cable, should we put them on a separate lag server as well?

Yes Label it OTHER server stick the BR, CN and RUSS in there as well

[Fenrys]

Originally Posted by Beagle

In modern business, it's important to always go for maximum profit even at the cost of completely fucking over your incredibly supportive customer base.

The people at Valve would disagree.

Fucking over your customers in the video game industry is just tossing profits down the toilet.

Originally Posted by Gabe Newell

Recently I was in a meeting and there’s a company that had a third party DRM solution and we showed them look, this is what happens, at this point in your life cycle your DRM got hacked, right? Now let’s look at the data, did your sales change at all? No, your sales didn’t change one bit. Right? So here’s before and after, here’s where you have DRM that annoys your customers and causing huge numbers of support calls and in theory you would think that you would see a huge drop off in sales after that got hacked, and instead there was absolutely no difference in sales before or after. You know, and then we tell them you actually probably lost a whole bunch of sales as near as we can tell, here’s how much money you lost by bundling that with your product.

Originally Posted by Gabe

It’s not the games that are out there today, it’s the games that we don’t – haven’t even thought of yet that are gonna end up being important. I would push them very hard to stop thinking of themselves as being a platform for everything that already exists and start betting on the inventiveness and the benefits that you would get by embracing a more open approach to the internet and game delivery and game business models and things like that.

Originally Posted by Penny Arcade

Do you think that’s something that the corporate culture of places like Sony and to a greater extent it seems Microsoft would ever be willing to embrace?

Originally Posted by Gabe

I think that you either embrace the new approaches or you go away. I mean Sega and Atari and lots of other, you know, Vectrex, Commodore, you either figure out how to move forward or you get left behind and I don’t think it’s any different. As soon as Valve stops doing interesting, innovative work we’re gonna be left behind and we’ve all been around long enough in the game industry to know that and you have to be pretty myopic not to realize that just because something used to work a certain way there’s absolutely no reason for them to expect that that’s going to be the tickets to being successful in subsequent iterations. So whether or not they do it is a harder question to answer than is change inevitable and some people manage to make transitions. You know, if you ask me I thought Nintendo’s ability to make the transition from 2D to 3D was one of the hardest and yet also one of the most successful transitions that occurred in our industry. So people can do it but as soon as people stop somebody else will step in and keep the industry moving forward. That occurs a lot faster when you have open approaches. There’s sort of a hedging strategy, you can say everybody has to do everything exactly our way and as long as everybody has to put up with that degree of oversight and control on your part then your margins probably go up and your ability to make other people do stuff probably improves, but the problem with that is that when you fall you fall really fast and I think there’s so many examples of that in the history of our industry that you just, you know, some people will embrace those lessons and other people will be sending out their resumes.

[Traak]

I think this also opens people to prosecution who cheat or sell cheats.

A crime against Sony in the US, by someone in the US, could lead to prosecution.

Heck, they just kicked someone out of the US at an airport for having pirated DVD's. Interesting to see the same happen with cheatmongers.

[Death2All]

How does the potential region locking effect players not wanting to play on different country's servers.

Say for instance I'm from the US and I get the best ping from an East Coast based server....Am I going to be able to play on a West Coast based server? Or does region locking prevent me from even doing that?


Also, I'm not ignoring the fact that Euro players are definitely getting the shaft on this, I'm just wanting clarification/maybe putting things in perspective for some of the IDIOTS I've seen posting in this thread.


Yes, let's sacrifice friendships and bonds that have been made and the general freedom of being able to do what you want so you don't "get killed around corner".

Ping was such an issue in PS1 because of the awful net-coding and CSHD. You need to expand your library of gaming, maybe then you'd understand that there's plenty of games that handle high pings just fine as the result of proper coding.

[VioletZero]

I don't see how this is an issue. Other than potentially EU customers -possibly- not getting as good as a deal as the US based players, this isn't really that bad.

In my experience, EU and US players always hate each other's guts. And given how Planetside 2 is an FPS, I doubt people want to play on any server but the ones closest to them. So...not that bad really.

But if it is an issue of outsourcing always leading to problems I can understand.

[Death2All]

Originally Posted by VioletZero

I don't see how this is an issue. Other than potentially EU customers -possibly- not getting as good as a deal as the US based players, this isn't really that bad.

In my experience, EU and US players always hate each other's guts. And given how Planetside 2 is an FPS, I doubt people want to play on any server but the ones closest to them. So...not that bad really.

But if it is an issue of outsourcing always leading to problems I can understand.

Unless I'm getting you confused with someone else...You said you've never played PS1, correct?


Who are you to say that it isn't an issue that people who've been playing together for YEARS don't get to play with eachother now because of region locking?

I have a few European and even some Chinese people in my outfit that I've become great friends with, I'd really hate to not be able to play with them in PS2 and I'm sure the feeling is mutual for them.

[VioletZero]

Originally Posted by DeeTwoEh

Unless I'm getting you confused with someone else...You said you've never played PS1, correct?


Who are you to say that it isn't an issue that people who've been playing together for YEARS don't get to play with eachother now because of region locking?

I have a few European and even some Chinese people in my outfit that I've become great friends with, I'd really hate to not be able to play with them in PS2 and I'm sure the feeling is mutual for them.

Well, I know it was only implied but I basically said that Europeans hate my guts for being American. In every MMO I've ever played where Europeans and Americans played together, Europeans couldn't go two minutes without starting a flame war over how terrible Americans are.

Though, this does raise the question: Why even have EU servers at all? Save money and have a larger community. As WoW proves, larger community means that you're more likely to get more players.

[dsi]

Originally Posted by VioletZero

Well, I know it was only implied but I basically said that Europeans hate my guts for being American. In every MMO I've ever played where Europeans and Americans played together, Europeans couldn't go two minutes without starting a flame war over how terrible Americans are.

Though, this does raise the question: Why even have EU servers at all? Save money and have a larger community. As WoW proves, larger community means that you're more likely to get more players.

In team based games no one really cares where you're at as long as you can speak(type) a bit of english/use the game's quick commands.

[RedKnights]

I think this is a terrible decision on SONY's part. What is going to happen to all of the Europeans that we currently play with in Planetside 1?

Years ago SOE forced the entirety of the Planetside community together onto one server, Gemini. As populations dropped further these people joined our East coast outfits, as we have joined theirs, and have formed a strong fighting force and community. In my outfit today several of the most important members are British, German and Swedish. What is going to happen when we are forced apart, and split forcibly like this?

I can tell you almost no person that currently plays Planetside is going to be happy about this decision. But lets be honest, we're all going to play Planetside 2, even if we have to be separated. Why? Because you have no competition. As much well as your wonderful development team has treated the community, the company that manages this property after they're gone cares nothing about the community, and has done nothing but treat us poorly.

So if a competitor comes along for the MMOFPS genre, say Bungie or Respawn Entertainment, both companies that know how to treat a community well, and it is more freely administrated, where do you think all these veterans, with money to spend as we have been spending it for years, are going to go and play? We're going to go to them, and that's where we're going to play, and spend our money, because then we can play with our friends and comrades.

I don't think any of us are ever going to forget how poorly Planetside 1 was managed after the development team left. Bad balances, bug fixes that took years, GM's who let hackers run rampant, or abused their powers with impunity.

Now, the first biggest hit to Planetside 2 players is the alienation of a large portion of the people that already play together? That is not a good start, that is not how a company should be run, and this is not how a community should be treated.

Higby, Radar and the other developers and community managers understand exactly what the heads at SOE have done. Planetside 2 and EQ Next are the last chances for SOE to remain a relevant player in the gaming industry. I don't understand why they would do anything that would risk failure, which I feel would mean the end of their company, in my eyes as a customer, at least.

All I can ask of you guys is you try to make them understand that we want to play together, on the same server, because that's the point of any MMO. If they don't understand the importance of community in the MMO business, they don't deserve to be in it.

[Goku]

Originally Posted by dsi

In team based games no one really cares where you're at as long as you can speak(type) a bit of english/use the game's quick commands.

This.