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Baneblade · 2012-04-28, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Yes, I'm quite sure "gun control" in every other nation aside from America is "about keeping guns out of the hands of freed slaves..." and that this is really a relevant argument since it applies to everyone today and thus severely backfired on whatever racists tried to go for. Racists without guns == good, btw.

And not conservative enough? How the hell can you get more restrictive on human rights and narrowmind... I mean conservative than the Republicans?

You are trolling right? The Democrats have done nothing but limit rights since... their inception?, they just convince people that is what they need rather than telling them the truth.

What has Obama done to increase human rights and reduce narrow mindedness?

Figment · 2012-04-28, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

You are trolling right? The Democrats have done nothing but limit rights since... their inception?, they just convince people that is what they need rather than telling them the truth.

What has Obama done to increase human rights and reduce narrow mindedness?

Right to a good health.

Costs society a bit though. But it's right to proper health care, where today you may not get anything. But Obama has been frustrated a lot by the Reps in the senate on a lot of things. Guantanamo is a Rep thing. Privacy laws of today (lack there of)? Reps again...

Baneblade · 2012-04-28, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Right to a good health.

It's not a right if it is forced on you.

Costs society a bit though. But it's right to proper health care, where today you may not get anything.

Today, I know exactly what I will get, tomorrow I only know that I'll have even less money to pay my bills with. I have no health insurance and I'm still against Obamacare.

Guantanamo is a Rep thing.

Apparently not, Obama didn't close it. He doesn't need Congressional approval. Ron Paul would close it before Obama had even walked out of the front door of the White House.

Privacy laws of today (lack there of)? Reps again...

And Obama is making them worse. So again, how is this all the Republicans' fault?

Figment · 2012-04-28, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

It's not a right if it is forced on you.

I will agree that the way it is implemented may not be the most freeish of ways, certainly. It could have been handled differently, through communal health care contribution taxes or whatever (but taxes would be opposed too...).

Taxes aren't exactly free to pick either, but if you consider the cost required for medical care in general, it's not like you can expect people to only pay for their own medicines and surgeries. It'd be WAY too expensive.

And I'm not talking about boobjobs, obviously. Talking about life-saving and first aid operations alone.

Regarding Guantanamo, what's the reason he didn't close it again?

http://dreadnaught.wordpress.com/200...easy-to-close/

A legal problem created by the Reps... And of course domestic politics:

Administration officials lay blame for the failed initiative on Congress, including Democrats who deserted the president, sometimes in droves. The debate, they said, became suffused with fear — fear that transferring detainees to American soil would create a genuine security threat, fear that closing Guantanamo would be electoral suicide. Some Democratic lawmakers pleaded with the White House not to press too hard, according to administration officials.

It should never have existed in the first place.

Baneblade · 2012-04-28, 01:48 PM

If he truly wanted to close it, it would be closed. It only exists by executive order.

Sirisian · 2012-04-28, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Apparently not, Obama didn't close it. He doesn't need Congressional approval. Ron Paul would close it before Obama had even walked out of the front door of the White House.

I thought that was true. Look up how many people, of the 169 current people, at Guantanamo that are approved for release and the complications of where to send them. It's an interesting political problem. If Ron Paul wanted to help he could. He's in a position to make recommendations.

Figment · 2012-04-28, 07:53 PM

What would Ron Paul do with the prisoners?

Baneblade · 2012-04-28, 08:45 PM

Release them to the ICC.

Sirisian · 2012-04-30, 12:01 PM

Vash02 · 2012-04-30, 02:29 PM

Let see who the big spenders are... uh oh:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/ec...president.html

**Malorn** · 2012-04-30, 08:39 PM

Meh.

Vash02 · 2012-04-30, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Malorn

I like how the 7 minute ad points out "contraceptive coverage guaranteed"

I like it when my tax dollars go toward someone else's recreational activities.

What a f'ing joke.

Acutally providing contraceptives saves insurers money from having to pay out money to go through pregnancy, STD's, etc. Insurers WANT to give out contraceptives for free.

**Malorn** · 2012-04-30, 08:42 PM

Meh.

**Malorn** · 2012-04-30, 08:57 PM

Meh.

Sirisian · 2012-04-30, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Malorn

And then there's the whole my tax dollars are paying for someone else's recreational activities part of it.

Actually this a common misconception among men. I didn't know much about birth control either until I heard this debate come up. After talking to my mother and researching I found out birth control (the pill) is surprisingly more used for medical reasons and preventative measures (58%). It's also used for lighter periods and less problems related to PMS. There's an obvious reason why 99% of women depend on it in the US. It's something you should take time researching. It's not something we, as men, really have to think about.

Originally Posted by Malorn

Oh hey look I can put up propaganda too!
http://visualeconomics.creditloan.co...tures-by-year/

Didn't this graph hit you as kind of odd? The scale along the Y is not proportional to the scale on the right. We all know Bill Clinton was amazing.