General Hawley's speech - Page 21

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 11:34 PM

I made his point? Nah, he made mine then. States are run by towns and cities. Towns and cities are run by people. The majority of the people voted for gore, and in a democracy, I think that's who should have won. Like you said though, that's not what we're arguing.

Sputty · 2003-02-21, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
A few million that were willing to leave their homes and take to the streets, although it's not like they actually took a head count. There's more against the war than just those that walked around outside. Entire governments have opposed the actions too, such as Canada, France, and Germany. In that same aspect, there are also those who support it. No one LIKES war, and so there'll always be someone to oppose it.

Canada supports war in Iraq if there's proof and the US has given that proof. Heh...So, that statement about Canada is generally wrong. We even had a thread on Canada's support not too long ago. BTW, the electoral college decides the outcome. So, Bush won. But anyway..

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 11:40 PM

hmmmm, I actually turned on CNN for once (I don't trust their biasness), and I just caught something bout if Bush makes a decision, they could go to war within 2 weeks.

Well whatever, as we've stated, this is a matter of opinion. What's the best part? I live in Canada, and we're not going to war. You live in the States, and you MAY go to war. I guess it's win/win. As I've always said, if someone supports this war so much as to support it as much as they do, they should go enlist. Hell, if you're not of age, just lie like so many did in every other war.

Regardless, I'm on the East coast, and it's quarter to midnight here. I was too tired to go out tonight, and I'll feel silly if I stay up arguing here as late as I would have stayed up if I'd gone out. I'm off to bed. Nice that you guys could argue without trying to just score points like the other fools did.

For more info on "scoring points" in a debate, look up "socrates scoring points debate" on google, I'm sure you'll find info on what I keep refferring too. I'm too tired. Hell, I'm typing with my forehad right now....

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
I agree, more inspectors is not the answer, they're inspectors, not detectives. As I've said, the US plans to attack regardless, and they have all this classified info (or they're doctoring it in some hollywood lab and can't reveal it till it's perfected, and no it's not inconceivable), so I think they should just go if they're going to.

Are you a conspiracy theorist??

Weapons of intimidation, I hate the term. Why have something if you're not going to use it? Hell, why aren't I allowed to walk around with a shotgun then? if it's just for intimidation.

Well... go to the US and get the proper permits and you can.

I realize that these are hard to get as you are wording it here, and the permit wouldn't extend to inside of a private establishment, but you could.

As for the US not searching for Osama anymore, I'm sure they are, but they don't seem to be as focused on it anymore, and he has ACTUALLY attacked the USA already. I know that Canada has sent over 2000 troops repeatedly, although I wouldn't help the states there after that FF incident (I think your pilots should fry for that).

Is this why you hate the US??

As for US being the police of the world, I don't think they should be, nor do I think anyone elected them to stick their noses in everywhere. I think 'Nam was a big mistake too (which is another place where the States have used biological weapons).

Then why did you ask about North Korea?? If you don't want the US involved in NKorea, don't bring it up.
We're not talking about VietNam either, stick to Iraq please.

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
I made his point? Nah, he made mine then. States are run by towns and cities. Towns and cities are run by people. The majority of the people voted for gore, and in a democracy, I think that's who should have won. Like you said though, that's not what we're arguing.

If that's how you read it, fine.

Again, go read US election law before you tell us how a republic works, since that's what the US is.

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:44 PM

Yeah, CNN sucks.

Nite Silent. Feel free to back and play another day.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 11:46 PM

Key word being "IF", just like France and Germany support the US "IF"......

If the US just goes ahead with the war like they're planning to do, then Canada does not support it. I've read Chrietien's speech on the subject.

Whether I'd support it at that point or not, I don't know. What I will say, which I've never admitted to in any of these "WAR" debates I've had on multiple forums, is that if they tell me I can fly a jet, then just show me where to sign (especially if they let me in the new F35 (pretty sure it's 35) Lockheed's VTOL/Stealth/supersonic jet). My fave is the F14 TomCat (Top Gun, streamlined wings), but Canada is all stocked up with F18's (we have 98 at last count that I heard, but that was bout 2 years ago at least).

Like I said, I'm off to bed though.

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
What I will say, which I've never admitted to in any of these "WAR" debates I've had on multiple forums, is that if they tell me I can fly a jet, then just show me where to sign (especially if they let me in the new F35 (pretty sure it's 35) Lockheed's VTOL/Stealth/supersonic jet). My fave is the F14 TomCat (Top Gun, streamlined wings), but Canada is all stocked up with F18's (we have 98 at last count that I heard, but that was bout 2 years ago at least).

Like I said, I'm off to bed though.

lol.. I hear that. Put me in a fighter jet and I'm there.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 11:52 PM

Damn it, quit making points I feel I need to argue before I go.

N. Korea I think is a bigger threat because they've said they'd attack the US, and they, unlike Iraq, actually have the capability.

The US pilots pissed me off at the US military (they've always bugged me from 'Nam and Agent Orange to WW2 and the A-Bombs, which despite what enregistered would like to believe, they were not given the chance to surrender), and I feel they should be strapped to the wings of a jet while it flies around at supersonic speeds.

Yeah, the states is a Republic now, but it was a democracy at the last election, right?

Jets? I've got my heart set on a buggy and a sniper rifle, but if they do the skeeter and the reaver right, ooooh baby..... (as always, I gotta keep bringing it back to PS in the spirit of the forums)

archaic1128 · 2003-02-21, 11:53 PM

Wow, that's all i can say is WOW. I missed a really good one, lol.

*moved to original.

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
N. Korea I think is a bigger threat because they've said they'd attack the US, and they, unlike Iraq, actually have the capability.

The US pilots pissed me off at the US military (they've always bugged me from 'Nam and Agent Orange to WW2 and the A-Bombs, which despite what enregistered would like to believe, they were not given the chance to surrender), and I feel they should be strapped to the wings of a jet while it flies around at supersonic speeds.

Yeah, the states is a Republic now, but it was a democracy at the last election, right?

Jets? I've got my heart set on a buggy and a sniper rifle, but if they do the skeeter and the reaver right, ooooh baby..... (as always, I gotta keep bringing it back to PS in the spirit of the forums)

I think the US can handle both threats if it needs to. N Korea is all talk at the moment. They want aid, so they are talking big. I think that is all that is at the moment. Like I said, Japan, China, and Russia can handle them if they get rowdy until the US gets over there to deal with them.

Even though I think you're wrong about the WW2 thing, we're going to drop it since I've got to get up on the morning. I don't remember what happened to the pilot, but he should have been discharged at the very least.

Nope, the US has always been a republic, such are the joys of representative democracy. It's not true democracy.

I'm kind of leaning towards some base defense and some swat type attacks myself.

mistled · 2003-02-21, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by archaic1128
BTW, Cofectrix and Hijinx, I have those IRS documents now if you care to see them. Taken directly out of the IRS Strategic Handbook As well as a US Supreme court ruling Document. This kinda stuff is hard to find. I must have about 700 bookmarks to look thru

say huh?

archaic1128 · 2003-02-22, 12:18 AM

Mistled,

I am reffering to another post. They doubted what i said, and i have verifiable facts. It took me a bit to relocate undeniable evidence. Also, i had 2 threads open and i meant to post in the original thread.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-22, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
I think if the UK was a Monarchy and started testing chemical weapons on its citizens and the US believed that the UK would someday attack them with those weapons, then yes, the US would attack the UK.

Good point mistled, but

the US has tested chemical weapons on its own soldiers in the past, and other countries might worry about using those weapons against them.

Should other countries be attacking us by that line of logic?

I am just here to make you smile.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-22, 02:23 AM

BTW I am still not exactly sure what is being argued over on this thread.

Is it the electoral college? Is it US WW2 policy? Is it policy towards Iraq? Is it US foreign policy in general? Is it IRS policies? Or is it arguing for the sake of argument?