Originally Posted by Figment
You know Vancha, why do you think people want solo-person mechs in?
Because they've seen Mobile Suit anime's a lot. I mean, a lot of these people think of controlling a mobile suit as being Teh Awesum Hero from one of these teen cartoons: they have to be super powerful and certainly superior to tanks, because mechs have always been portrayed in sci fi as upgrades to conventional combat.
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You
really need to stop speaking for other people.
Originally Posted by Figment
You propose lighter, alternatives. But if you consider the GDI Wolverine (small, AI mech) from C&C Tiberian Sun and compare it to an AI Buggy, it does the same, but is slower and has a larger profile. So what's the point? That you look different/cool? Is that enough? No, you'd need some specific benefits. So that you can walk on steaper terrain like BFRs could and reach positions only infantry can now? If that is the case, I don't like it because you'd finally have spots where infantry would be relatively on their own and you'd go screw with that again.
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Again you speak for me. I proposed nothing. I
described an alternative because I felt sylphaen's assumption was flawed.
Looking at the GDI Wolverine, I'm not sure why I'd consider it...It looks more like a juggernaut than the type of mech I described.
Originally Posted by Figment
You could lso put some thrusters on tanks and basically you'd get the Landmaster tank from Lylat Wars and make it do some barrel roles. It's sci fi, it's different, it's not a mech... But does it fit in, or is it something that is better left in an on rail single player shooter where you are not going to abuse it to squash infantry controlled by other players who are sneaking up on your side?
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I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here.
- A landmaster is a specific entity, a mech is a far more variable concept.
- As you should know by now, I wouldn't claim whether anything speculative would fit in or not.
- Planetside already has a history of large vehicles squashing infantry.
Originally Posted by Figment
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see the added benefit of mechs to the PlanetSide universe. Besides, we don't even have buggies yet (some of the most loved featured vehicles from PS1 are the ES buggies) and there's already suggestions of adding the most hated things?
Some people should get their priorities straight and understand the community's context before proposing things.
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This doesn't sound directed towards me, but again I'll say I haven't proposed anything and I'm pretty sure I haven't suggested anything should be added since this thread got resurrected.
Originally Posted by Figment
Vancha, I'm quite sure that you could get new people in here to claim they wouldn't mind BFR type concepts as well. In fact, we already had people in this thread who liked BFRs upon release. So just because they're new, doesn't mean they've got the right to overrule the request from long term players to drop mechs for a sequel.
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Again you misrepresent my comments. I never suggested that just because someone was new that they had the right to overrule the wishes of Planetside vets. In response to Baron, I was explaining that we will probably represent a very small percentage of the eventual player base of Planetside 2 and thus to portray the results of the poll as the desires of the majority was incorrect, especially considering that the very thing that lead the vast majority of us to congregate here is something that would cause most people to have a bias against the subject at hand (and understandable bias, but still).
Originally Posted by Figment
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Oh and here's a fun one for you Vancha, why don't you wait for beta to see if they'd fit in if you are so certain you can't make a judgement prior to seeing the game? So how could you possibly ask for them if you don't know the exact context and the exact niches they'd have to fill? Especially with respect to other vehicles that are still going to be added after beta?
Oh wait, speculative design and judging by making assumptions on what their relative strengths would or should be to be fair and acceptable, pre-defining their use and role and extrapolating on what players would do with it maybe? Only accepting that this is true under the exact conditions you stated for this judgement to be somewhat accurate, perhaps?
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I didn't.
Edit: In case it's not clear yet (it bloody well should be), I'm not asking, pushing, suggesting, proposing or advocating the existence of mechs in Planetside 2. I'm fairly sure my posts in this thread consist solely of trying to dismantle the faulty logic behind the premature objections towards them (with some occasional smart assery thrown in here or there, I expect).
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