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2012-12-23, 10:14 PM | [Ignore Me] #391 | |||||||||||||||||||
Dutch boy sentenced in Facebook murder Pretentious to the point of oblivion, maybe? I can't tell...but your academic argument does not trump reality my friend. http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/gun-laws-netherlands
So, it doesn't happen where you live at all then? The Netherlands is some neverland of wonder and joy where the hookers poop ganja out their butts? Please, spare me. I can continue to pull up news articles to show how ridiculous your claoms are, but it's just embarrasing at this point.
Oh wait. He doesn't say anything. He's dead.
You prefer one over the other because you understand neither. Dead is dead. Whether ventilated by blade or bullet. I am certain that you have no clue how quickly a man with a knife could close the distance and shove a 4" blade into your liver. And further, I wouldn't be surprised if you had no idea how long it would take to bleed out with a punctured liver. You should 'google' it. And then, eat crow.
Oh, what a study in double speaking you are, my friend. The herb there must be potent indeed.
Man with "Big Machine Gun" opens fire in Dutch mall killing 6
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2012-12-24, 04:42 AM | [Ignore Me] #392 | ||
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Belch, you're just ignoring what I actually say.
I never said there's no crime. I never said there's no murders. You keep pretending I state that, which is utterly ridiculous. However, we have 9x LESS murders per capita than you do. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. NINE TIMES. Maybe you didn't read it yet. NINE TIMES. Suck it. |
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2012-12-24, 10:59 AM | [Ignore Me] #393 | |||
What you did say, my double speaking, hypocritical, childish and simplistic friend is that your crimes are much less violent. I can go back and quote you, but we both know it's true. Because, according to you, stabbings and shootings are less violent in your country. Dead people, evidently, are not as dead in the Netherlands. Oh, by the way, your country is the size of one of our small states. I wonder what that puts your ratio at, per capita? I wonder if you had half the land mass of the US, half the population...what your statistics might look like? Yes, believe in your fairey tales Figment. I'd tell you to suck it, but I believe, your mouth is full of crow. I'll wait til you're finished chewing. |
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2012-12-24, 01:20 PM | [Ignore Me] #394 | |||
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Because so far, you had really hard issues with comprehending the english language. I SAID LESS VIOLENT CRIME. NUMERICALLY, IT'S MATHS. A stabbing is a stabbing, a shooting a shooting. I never implied ANYWHERE that when a stabbing or shooting occurs, it's less violent. I simply stated IT HAPPENS FAR MORE WHERE YOU ARE. LESS HERE. MORE THERE. VIOLENT CRIME OCCURANCES. Get it? It's not hard. Please tell me you understand simple languagem, it's supposed to be your language too, I could try it in dutch, maybe you'd understand than with your thorough knowledge of the situation over here? :/ Crime is there, but it's not as violent as in the USA, simply because violence - and certainly not violence resulting in death - is used far less often. You don't understand this? Then you're just dense. Sorry, but there's no nicer way to say it. Apparently, you don't understand that nine times less deaths, means that there's nine times more homicides, nine times more people DEAD every year in YOUR country by guns alone then our entire death count per year on a per capita basis. You know what per capita means? THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE, BECAUSE YOU AVERAGE OVER 100.000 PEOPLE. We have 17 million people here. There's 500 million people in the EU. There's 308 million people in the USA. And my country has the highest population density in the world, next to Shanghai. Yes, the population density is higher than the state of New York, on average, for the entire country. And over the entire EU, with around 200 million more residents than the US, we're STILL lower in total numbers AND by FAR per capita for both crime, violent crime and gun crime rates compared to the USA. If you really just want to deny everything you hear, you're just coming over as a very dumb person. If I were you, I'd admit you were interpreting things wrong very quickly, because you're only going to harm your case more. FFS man, go to school and learn about statistics. Last edited by Figment; 2012-12-24 at 01:35 PM. |
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2012-12-24, 03:14 PM | [Ignore Me] #395 | ||||||||
You don't have to answer, as you have already told me inadvertently. You are privileged, insulated and therefore, aloof. That bad things happen is something you have only seen on the television, read on the internet. I have already said that I am not mocking you, and I mean it. That you hold such lofty ideals speaks well for civilization...however, the reality of human predators makes you unprepared. You don't believe they exist, apparently. I know this, you have told me. You place faith in the fact that an intruder will likely not harm you, for instance. I no longer believe in Santa Claus. Don't hate.
Violence is violence my friend. You are clinging to the notion that you have changed that facet of humanity thru laws. That you have eradicated the desire. You attempt to paint America as a place that develops such violent tendencies merely by the ability to purchase firearms. (oh...you mean you guys don't? need me to relink some facts, friend? ) BTW, I like how your country sentenced that kid to a year in 'juvi' (juvenile detention) for murdering a girl. Is that called the wet noodle approach, or something? Oh, I'm sure he'll be all fixed when he get's out of his long year (as in single) of 'juvi'.
17 million people in your country? And with that few people, you still have no control of firearms, with your restrictive laws (but no ban, btw...), your sophisticated scanning methods (lulz), and all of the tools that you claim prevent such things from happening. That it happens at all is an interesting thing, and one you are quick to gloss over. Were you unaware of violent crime in your country? Does your media suppress it, in order to keep people feeling "safe"? I mean, a guy with a "big machine gun" shooting up a mall for no reason, man that's scarey stuff! Was his machine gunning down innocents less violent than elsewhere? Maybe you should look to your own country, before talking about others. Or does it comfort you to look outwards at others first, so as to make your violence seem...ahem..."less violent"?
Relax. Here. Watch this Ted Talk. I like this guy.
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2012-12-24, 07:03 PM | [Ignore Me] #396 | |||
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You are either really bad at interpretation or you're just trolling. I'm not even going to bother reading the remainder if you can't even admit you completely failed to understand what was said. And from the looks of it, intentionally. |
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2012-12-24, 07:12 PM | [Ignore Me] #397 | |||
Yes, run along, and let grown ups discuss grown up issues. |
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2012-12-24, 07:41 PM | [Ignore Me] #398 | ||||||||||||||
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So when people like you say "they're going to get guns anyway", presuming insane people per capita are spread evenly over the globe (unless you're saying you've got way more insane people?), then I'd say your policy enables insane people to get guns much more easily than with us. As a consequence, you have more gun crime and more slaughter tragedies. Again, note that I never said we never get those. If it happens, it's usualy a case of non-execution of the law, communication lacking (like not knowing someone is visiting a psychiatrist or not acting on that information when a gun license is applied for).
What I said is that humans are inherently violent, so giving them a weapon makes them more confident when in a threat situation. Threatening, as you may know from psychology, is the state of mind between attack and fleeing. Making someone feel more powerful than the one in front of them makes them more likely to engage when threats are returned or the other party does not move out of the way. After all, when one is in a more powerful position, the assessment of risk (which determines whether or not someone engages) will more likely be in favour of acting. That behaviour is true for humans and animals alike. So if you give people a weapon, that provides more confidence. Especially a relatively easy to use, long range weapon, like a gun, they're more likely to act, than flee. You would be more likely to stand your ground and risk getting shot with a gun, than without. Without you'd be more likely to attempt to flee. Correct?
For the record, that's one of the issues we as a populace have been annoyed with for years: soft judges (judicial issue). We'd like to see "life" sentence actually mean life, instead of 25 years and then get out at half that on good behaviour. Laws to treat juveniles as adults have recently been approved. It's a shame the judge in question didn't opt to do that. However, there's this thing called TBS ("ter beschikking stellen" ("being available" to the State), which means after the sentence has been completed, a psychologist (who assessed them during prison) determines if they're psychologically fit to return to society. Or if there's a good chance of recurrent behaviour. If recurrent behaviour is assessed likely, then the sentence can become indefinite imprisonment. Psychologists will have to then provide this assessment every few years. But that's only possible if the criminal in question is mentally ill or unstable. In this case, the judge thought best not to do that, because then treatment would only start AFTER a sentencing and he thought it important to start treatment immediately before they had completely matured mentally. And if you think the above stabbing is common, you'd be sorely mistaken. It's extremely exceptional.
There's no such thing as absolute control. Nobody is claiming that.
EVERY SINGLE TIME I point out it is LOWER. Not NON-EXISTENT. Sheesh. Talk about strawmen.
Everytime one does that, you bring up the 2nd Amendment - which isn't an universal thing, nowhere near a human right. It's a local privilege. Nothing more.
Shame you're not much of a debater. A debater would actually understand the meaning of "less violent crime", because he'd know that in the context of this discussion, it's a crime category. I have not simplified the issue at all. You're simply too simple too understand it. Apparently. Last edited by Figment; 2012-12-24 at 07:56 PM. |
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2012-12-24, 08:52 PM | [Ignore Me] #399 | ||
I'm not going to bother responding to your quotes. It's really very simple. You have, and continue to act as if your answers are the solution for gun violence in the US. I have done some simple things to counter your method...mainly, I have supplied you with an unexpected dose of your own medicine. You do not like scrutiny of things that have happened in your country. I find that mildly humorous, as you have been so quick to disparage not only Americans and our laws, but individuals that have opinions you disagree with.
Trolling? You should exmine yourself as clearly as you like to examine others perhaps. The unexpected result, something I didn't anticipate, was how easily you turned...anxious. I can understand why, and really it was you who put yourself into the tenuous position...claiming that you had answers that the "barbarious lot" could not. Implying that somehow, you were immune based on the folley that "Fortress Europa" was immune to such problems. Cling to semantics, dear brother, but it has been quite apparent. If you truly wished to engage in a debate, I doubt you would have taken the approaches that you have. So quick you have been to point out others failings, you have been blind to your own. So, by all means, report me. It only proves my point. But there is a saying...that one should not dish out what one does not want to receive. |
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2012-12-25, 03:11 AM | [Ignore Me] #400 | ||
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I never stated we were completely immune. You are just being an ass by not accepting I actually said we made sure these things happen less frequently and violent crime simply does not occur as often as we chose not to arm our criminals ourselves.
You keep lieing about what I said and I don't appreciate nor respect that one bit. Consider yourself on ignore. I've corrected you many times on what I actually said and all you do is keep going with a strawman just so you can troll. You are a despicable person in that regards. Last edited by Figment; 2012-12-25 at 03:17 AM. |
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2012-12-25, 07:38 AM | [Ignore Me] #401 | ||
As someone who has actually been in a knife fight and a gun fight, I'll take the gun fight. Knife fights hurt a lot more and take much less skill to pull off effectively, while guns are usually less dangerous in untrained hands.
As in, I'd rather face a criminal with a gun than one with a knife if my only option was to bring a knife to a knife fight and a gun to the gun fight. |
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2012-12-25, 03:12 PM | [Ignore Me] #402 | ||
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Guns do not hurt as much?
Tell that to those firemen that died this week who were killed at ranges and at a speed a knife can't be used. Also nice: the murderer had served 17 years for killing his grandma, and apparently also killed his sister. Of course giving such people guns - whether intentional or not - is simply dangerous... One of the victims was a cop as well. I bet he'd have stood more chance against a knife wielder of 62 years old than a gun wielding 62 year old. And probably at least one of them would have had time to react. Not to mention run away from a 62 y/o. Knife fight can be avoided, a gun, certainly not an AR-15, not so much. But hey, otherwise just send your military out without bullets, if you think that makes them more effective at killing people... |
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2012-12-25, 04:08 PM | [Ignore Me] #403 | ||||
Once again, I hope you never meet an actual predator. You are unprepared for anything but acceptance as a victim. Goodbye, frail friend.
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FAC:"It sounds pretty bad..." SFC Jerry 'Mad Dog' Shriver: “No, no. I’ve got ‘em right where I want ‘em – surrounded from the inside.“ Last edited by belch; 2012-12-25 at 04:11 PM. |
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2012-12-25, 07:12 PM | [Ignore Me] #404 | |||
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You can't. I'm not your friend btw. I don't befriend lieing, smallminded, self-confirmatory twats that don't respect other people's opinion nor are able to nor willing to admit it when they made an interpretation mistake. As of right now, you're officially on ignore. And no good-bye to you, good riddens to you, sir. |
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2012-12-25, 08:43 PM | [Ignore Me] #405 | |||
You don't like that your words look ridiculous? Well, quit saying ridiculous things. Like ju-jitsu being a line of defense in a knife fight. Like how violence in Europe is less violent. It only makes you appear pathetic. But, I feel somewhat sorry for you. I have angered your dainty sensibilities. Faced with mere words, you are frothing. I think it's a good thing that you cannot access weapons...oh wait, you can in the Netherlands! That's how you had the maniac machine gun mall shooter! Aww...don't be sad that you're unable to explain that away with your pseudo-intellectual facade. It doesn't work for others that try it either. Instead of being angry at me and calling me names (really now, so cultured ), maybe you should be practising karate moves or something. Whatever blows your hair back, baby! psst...it's riddance. Good riddance. Don't want you looking foolish while telling others to get an education now...
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