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[Ignore Me] #421 | |||
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"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
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[Ignore Me] #422 | ||
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So anyone with a hood is suspicious? So if we ban hoods as a clothing line, we have no more criminal suspects?
Mind, I'm not saying a white person with a hood can't be a thug, just that judging someone by what they wear is also a form of discrimination. Last edited by Figment; 2012-04-16 at 06:35 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #423 | ||||
You do hear about all of those other crimes. You've heard of Casey Anthony? You've heard of OJ Simpson? There are many, many cases you have no doubt heard about that are all examples of where people believe justice was not done. The difference between this one and those, of course, is that Zimmerman wasn't even charged with anything. Do unarmed kids get intentionally killed by a guy with a firearm so often that the treatment of this case is really so peculiar? And as I mentioned, the real fault of the media would be that there might be other killings where the killer walks without trial because of bullshit gun laws. The treatment of the killing of this Martin kid is almost entirely appropriate (the few instances of bullshit like editing the call aside), and without it there'd be no chance for justice for the dead kid. So the outrage of people over the media in this thread and elsewhere is totally misplaced, and it's sad we live in a world where people can be so apathetic to the murder of a teenager that it's actually something that needs to be said. |
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[Ignore Me] #424 | |||
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Hell, here you are, being outraged at Trayvon being killed just as you are bothered that there are people who are trying to defend Zimmerman(and made a few jabs at Fox News). Don't lump me into the group that believes there shouldn't be a trial. Last edited by Vecha; 2012-04-16 at 08:40 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #426 | |||
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... and since when is he huge? ... and I have to ask again, how is it bigotry to ask if things would have been different had he not been black? I don't think you understand the word 'bigotry'. |
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[Ignore Me] #428 | ||
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New pictures of Zimmerman's injured head after shooting:
http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic...opstories.html |
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[Ignore Me] #429 | |||
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Neither the nose bleed nor this says anything about what went down. The more interesting information in that article is that the gunpowder burns were clearly visible on Martin's hood, indicating he was very near to Zimmerman when shot (in the chest iirc?). So at the very least, Martin was not shot from a distance. Unfortunately that doesn't say anything on whether he was backing off or not (or if he even had a chance to) after the gun was drawn. Ballistics should indicate how they were standing with respect to each other. The question remains why there was a fight though. Was Martin defending himself or did he attack? Did Martin feel cornered and/or did he see an opportunity to turn the roles (hunter becomes the hunted) in a pre-emptive strike? Did Martin confront Zimmerman about why he was following him or did Zimmerman find Martin hiding somewhere and confronted him about why he was there? Or did they run into each other after thinking they lost one another and one of them panicked (could be Martin)? Did Martin believe Zimmerman to be a mugger or assailant and went vigilante himself? So many potential ways things could have gone down. :/ |
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[Ignore Me] #430 | ||
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The difference it makes is it proves there was some sort of struggle at close range. I don't have a source at the moment but the percentage of gun fights that occur within 20 feet or less is around 90% the gunpowder burns are not surprising.
If you were in a case where you had to use your gun you typically don't pull it out just to show it around. You pull it out to use it and are in fear of your life. The last part of what you said is very true though we don't know what happened that led up to this. |
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[Ignore Me] #432 | ||
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I'm really wondering why they're trying to pin him for 2nd degree murder, when it really does look more like a manslaughter case. There doesn't seem to be much to suggest that Zimmerman, upon spotting Trayvon, had any intention of killing him. There was clearly a fight. The question should be, was the force Zimmerman used lawful?
I have a feeling he's going to be acquitted of these charges, which is unfortunate, because I don't think he's entirely innocent... I just don't think he's guilty of second degree murder. |
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[Ignore Me] #434 | ||||
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First off, I admit I'm no expert, but he was wearing a hoodie correct? And it was at night? I'm not saying he was in the right to follow this kid and confront him(if that was indeed what happened), I just think that it was more likely that he was looking at the fact that it was at night, he was wearing his hoodie up, in a neighborhood where robberies have taken place. And he was 6'3" right(could be wrong, just got it off a random news site), although I personally don't know why I put in that he was huge, his height probably didn't have much to do with anything. And finally, I probably shouldn't have said that you were a bigot for thinking so, and I apologize, but I do find it strange that people automatically jump to the conclusion that he was racially profiling Trayvon Martin when so far, the only proof has been edited recordings and personal opinion. I personally believe that what is really fueling most racism in America atm is politics and the media, it's one of our greatest problems right now. The media and politicians/political parties are so divisive I feel we may be headed down a path we really don't want to head down.
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[Ignore Me] #435 | ||
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I need you to understand that I am not trolling you or being facetious when I warn you that suggesting that wearing a hoodie and being tall made him "suspicious" is coming dangerously close to the irresponsible thinking that blames rape victims for dressing like "sluts" and alluding, obliquely, that they deserved it, or are somehow responsible for what happened to him.
It doesn't matter how you dress or what you look like; so long as we are minding our own business, we all have a right to move through our lives without having to worry about ending up on the receiving end of violence from another. It is, at the core of things, the most basic human right there is. There is no evidence at all that Martin was conducting improper or suspicious actions. Pointing out physical descriptors does not change that, and only betrays prejudices that I think deserve a great deal of scrutiny. |
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