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2012-12-28, 06:42 PM | [Ignore Me] #421 | |||
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I own guns, I shoot guns, but I'm not brainwashed by the NRA into thinking that 30 round clips and assault rifles should be easily obtained by anyone who wants them, and that every citizen has a right to own weapons and equipment designed for war-theaters. Common sense buddy, crawl out of your paranoia induced hole and obtain some. Last edited by Obscura; 2012-12-28 at 06:59 PM. |
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2012-12-28, 06:53 PM | [Ignore Me] #422 | |||
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There is nothing wrong with a trained citizen owning a gun as long as he's mentally sound and goes through a background check. But the fact that you can buy an AR-15 with a 30 round clip as easy as a hunting rifle meant to kill deer is not right. David Letterman said the other day, and I agree with this, "I have never seen a deer worth 30 rounds" Last edited by Obscura; 2012-12-28 at 06:57 PM. |
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2012-12-28, 06:58 PM | [Ignore Me] #423 | |||
The difference between weaponizing gasoline, and using a rifle with an ammunition source of any capacity, is the potential accuracy against intended targets. You don't have such accuracy available with molotov cocktails. You cannot restrict the spread of gasoline to only intended tagets. Indeed, weaponzing such items is more suited to inflicted increased random damage. You have 'hypothesized' about my understanding of foreign wars and the dynamics that have led to specific conflicts panning out the way that they have. In doing so, you are incorrect. Of course, your smug, self aggrandizing attitude leaves one to wonder...just what do you know about such places like Rwanda? I have spent enough time in 3rd world shit holes that you running your mouth means jack shit to me. But, I see you throwing words around loosely and have to ask...so what makes you and your opinion any better? Rather than answer for the facts about what blades can and have done, you insult and blow as hard as you can to brow beat away any idea different than yours. How about you take some of your own advice, with your google abilities, your asinine comments about high cap magazines being harbingers of death and destruction, and crawl back in the hole of obviously stagnant DNA? |
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2012-12-28, 07:05 PM | [Ignore Me] #424 | |||
I once ran an experiment, for the sake of my squad 249 gunners. Standing, stock extended, what is the accuracy potential at 25 meters of a SAW on full auto. Gave them 25 rounds to play with for each. 25 meters to an e-type. Can you guess what the results were? |
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2012-12-28, 07:07 PM | [Ignore Me] #425 | |||
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2012-12-28, 09:02 PM | [Ignore Me] #426 | |||
Oh, by the way, the principles of marksmanship are hardly 'pseudo-intellectual', nor hypothetical bullshit. Not that you'd know, you phoney. I suggest for further reading on the subject, and actual emplacement of a 'machine gun' versus battle rifle/carbine, you do some skimming of FM's 3.22-9 and 3.22-68. Hardly bullshit, nor theory-crafting. Some of us have relied on, and seen proven, all of the things I describe. Obviously, you are experienced with none of it. I suggest you arm yourself with fact before you try the pompous 'I know everything' approach again. |
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2013-01-01, 08:43 AM | [Ignore Me] #427 | ||
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Isn't this a touchy subject.
Personally (from a foreign perspective) I wouldn't mind if people had just hunting/bolt action rifles and simplistic hand guns. My problem is just with automatics, guns like the Ar-15 being so available. There can be a way forward on having proper gun control, the problem is not enough people politically or socially in the USA want it nor care for it, thus I highly suspect no change will ever come to gun laws. Last edited by Gnske; 2013-01-01 at 08:48 AM. |
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2013-01-01, 02:59 PM | [Ignore Me] #428 | ||
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Eclipse, China became this way BECAUSE one part of the citizens (Chinese Communist Party, CCP) got guns and defeated the other party (Kwomingtan, KMT) with those guns to establish a communist regime.
The same happened in Russia and to a large degree in your Civil War. Guns in civilian hands lead to oppression, because they will try to grab power for their personal political group, once they are strong enough to take out the other group and rule alone. Before that, the empire had been in a state of civil turmoil including many civil wars since the 1911 revolution against the emperor. Stability had been further undermined by the Japanese and Russians since the second world war (where Japan had occupied German territories in China - yes, both China and Japan were on the side of the allies at the time, 140.000 Chinese even fought in the French trenchwar). The Russian soviets tried to seek world revolution and supported the communists due to the Trotskist soviet policies of the time, but also supported the KMT with the demand there'd be communists in there (hoping the communists would slowly take over the KMT leadership eventually - the KMT leadership however started seeing the communists as a direct threat). The more democratic and nationalistic KMT party's army was defeated by the CCP, Mao's party. After the KMT's remainder fled to Taiwan, the "People's party" of course takes the monopoly on violence. You should read up on Chinese history a bit and realise what actually went down there. :/ It's not very pretty and a massive clusterfuck of different attempts for power and opportunistic neighbours and colonial nations (definitely including the ambitious Japanese Empire). What they needed, was a democratic unity with a strong politically varied standing army. The last thing you want is civilian, political groups organising themselves in militias under different warlords. Warlords including the likes of Mao Zedong and even some of those that deposed the emperor (since some wanted to be emperor instead of the emperor). Many, MANY despots come from a hijacked or illussion of a people's revolution. The only thing I trust to some degree is a democratically elected government that cannot create a ruling body without the support of a coalition of sub-groups. |
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2013-01-01, 03:25 PM | [Ignore Me] #429 | |||||
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And hey, we (the dutch) actually got there first, with guns of course, but without a standing army, just a colonial company with a couple hired guns facing a non-structured, armed civilian populace with spears.
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2013-01-01, 03:54 PM | [Ignore Me] #430 | |||
It is rather convenient that of all the problems in the world, so many choose to make Americans owning firearms a priority issue. And who, exactly, is blind to history here? |
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2013-01-04, 04:51 PM | [Ignore Me] #434 | ||
Honestly? Ignorance is about the only reason I can think of.
HME is hardly in the 'hard to obtain or operate' category. Unless you think fertilizer and fuel oil is something you find hard to get a hold of. But that is just one way to go about it....ANFO that is. |
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2013-01-04, 07:41 PM | [Ignore Me] #435 | ||
I could go into the average house and build an explosive device capable of taking out half the block.
Just sayin'. Imo, bombs are easier to kill a lot of people with than guns. But I think some of these mass murderers just want the personal touch of it more than the actual kill counts. |
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