I honestly think the current trailer should be deleted.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Marth Koopa

"Thousands" isn't a few.

You're forgetting that the average Joe Gamer is going to completely shrug something off if the first thing they see isn't mind blowingly awesome.

And you're forgetting just because Marth Koopa doesn't like it doesn't mean every gamer doesn't like it.

Also nice work pulling numbers out of thin air - you should go into politics.

Originally Posted by Graywolves

SOE Community Manager?


Are we training the official forum mods now?

RadarX is working with Virrago on PlanetSide 2 community management

[CuddlyChud]

That wasn't really a trailer so much as it was a teaser. As a trailer, yeah its pretty awful. It really does look like a generic sci-fi boxed arena shooter. But it was obviously meant more like a teaser, coming after 3 months of nothing. I'm sure people were starting to get concerned that PS2 was vaporware.

I think they should just label it as a teaser rather than a trailer. Most teasers are nothing more than a very short cgi clip.

[Trolltaxi]

I think SOE didn't plan to rebuild the planetside2.com site and didn't intended to start beta registration this early, but being so successful on the tentonhammer vote they couldn't afford to loose the attention with the old and simple site + they had to add something that people can take serious, so they placed the beta registration button.

Minimum effort, maximum effect.

[LongBow]

Honestly I see a lot of "we need a new trailer" ...sure but not now ... right now we need devs working on the game, you would be amazed at the amount of damage trailers, E3 or other such events can do to a games release date...

personally I want the game ... not a pritty picture of what the game will be like =D

[SgtMAD]

Originally Posted by Trolltaxi

I think SOE didn't plan to rebuild the planetside2.com site and didn't intended to start beta registration this early, but being so successful on the tentonhammer vote they couldn't afford to loose the attention with the old and simple site + they had to add something that people can take serious, so they placed the beta registration button.

Minimum effort, maximum effect.

this is completely wrong,there is testing going on right now but you don't know about it due to not being invited/NDA issues.

go back and read the old threads about the original PS beta,we are not very far off the line of events that led to PS being released,SOE started the beta sign ups in Nov'02 but had issues right out of the box so the schedule got pushed back with the real beta starting Jan and into Feb, March saw the start of open beta(I got in then)then the May release.

now everyone can start with the "it's not the same timeline" crap but remember this, the first time SOE tried this,the tech was right at the cutting edge of on-line gaming,a lot of those issues that held up the beta last time are not an issue this time around due to the tech being an almost decade older and SOE has some experience dealing with on-line games now.

I think that if everything runs smoothly and there isn't any game engine breaking faults discovered we see PS2 May/June '12 with the anniversary date as the actual goal.

[inigma]

Originally Posted by Erendil

Yep. that first one looks like it could be just another generic 16 vs 16 multiplayer FPS, with a few planes doing flyby's at the end that for all people know could just be a cinematic cutscene.

We need a new combined arms trailer, one that shows off the scale of the game and demonstrates exactly how epic a 3-way war can be....

They could start with a bird's eye view of a wing of Mossies flying in to assault that one Amp Station just like this screenie. Then have several manned wall turrets open fire on them from far below, followed by a few Reavers flying up from the base to intercept. Meanwhile, down below rages a large tank battle with Prowlers, Vanguards, and Lightnings dancing around, and infantry taking pot shots at the Prowlers from atop the base walls.

Then they could cut to a wing of Scythes and Magriders hiding behind a distant ridgeline, silent, waiting for the right moment to join in the fray... Then the command is given, and the view changes to a shot from the base as, off in the distance, a V-line of Scythes pops up over the ridgeline, sun at their backs, and the camera zooms in as the Scythes scream ominously towards the battle, followed by the Magriders spread out in a long line below....

Finally, the 3 empires meet, in the skies above and on the ground below the walls of the base....


That is the kind of trailer they need.

That's what the beta is for.

[Marth Koopa]

Originally Posted by Hamma

And you're forgetting just because Marth Koopa doesn't like it doesn't mean every gamer doesn't like it.

Also nice work pulling numbers out of thin air - you should go into politics.

I don't see you citing sources for your own numbers.

My numbers have a foundation: the fact that 99% of gamers are idiots and will not give a game with a crappy first trailer the time of day

[GTGD]

Uh...yeah...for a minute long trailer, we have something that looks good and sparks interest.

The first PS fan trailer posted is garbage. Nobody is going to sit through 4 minutes, and the gameplay has all been sped up. It also shows some stuff people would be turned off by. Pretty sure there's a scene where a lib gets air camped. WHAT FUN!

The second one was better, although the font was way too tough to read.

But think about it this way. PS2 was originally going to be PS Remastered. When they decided to throw down some money and make a full-fledged sequel, they wanted to give fans something that would spark interest. Besides a bunch of nerds and fans of the first game, nobody really knows about this yet - the current trailer isn't for them.

SOE knows they need to market the shit out of this to avoid problems and get the message out there. They also happen to have more assets to apply to production than any of us, and you bet your ass they are going to use it on the first trailer they release to the masses.

I'm sure they will make a wonderful trailer that showcases scale, but they need to have enough people to show scale first. Once alpha testing with the dev team, the QAs, and family/friends happens there will at least be a whole legion of players to show that off. And who knows, maybe they'll even capture some footage from all of us fragging together in the beta.

[Ghryphen]

Originally Posted by Marth Koopa

I don't see you citing sources for your own numbers.

My numbers have a foundation: the fact that 99% of gamers are idiots and will not give a game with a crappy first trailer the time of day

Dude, that is not a fact...thought it does appear you may know first hand.

What numbers did Hamma give that he needed to back up? Stop saying things out your ass dude.

"Because you say I need sources, you need sources to say my non-sources are false."

[Figment]

The Planetside Ad by Marcopolo was also a good example.

[Marth Koopa]

I want this game to be a success... bad trailers are counterproductive to that.

If something is bad you need to tell people, not congratulate them for making bad things.

[robocpf1]

If the only thing people look at when they check out Planetside 2 is that one 60-second clip, then I don't know what kind of gamer they are. If they aren't at least thorough enough to check the official website's FAQs, screenshots, news articles, wallpaper, lore, or ANYTHING, but base their entire opinion of the game on 60 seconds of what we know is pre beta edited footage, then I have nothing to say to them.

I don't know about everyone else, but when I check out a game and see if I want to play it, I go to the official website and try to track down a trailer. After I see the trailer (if we assume Marth is right and everyone who sees it will think it's terrible) and I think "not entirely sure I want to play this", I will go to planetside2.com and find all of the screenshots and FAQs and news articles.

Then I realize, if I haven't already figured it out, that the game is still pre-beta and more information is being released every day.

In fact, I find the opposite of the OP to be true. If I go look at a game and the ONLY information I see is a really cool trailer, with NOTHING else, I'm less inclined to worry about the game yet, though I might spot check it later. Generally speaking, a really cool trailer with lack of any other solid info is evidence of a bad marketing team or in the worst case vaporware, while there is so much information now on PS2 (especially with dev interviews and such) that it's bound to attract attention. Let us not forget the front page PC Gamer artwork.

Would I like another trailer? Yes, because it would include in-game footage we haven't seen yet, probably game features we can only drool at in this stage. I do not think, however, that the trailer we currently have is going to repel anyone. It is more of a "teaser" than a trailer. It was the first look we ever got of in-game PS2, at Fan Faire. This is not the trailer they are using to fully market the game.

[xSlideShow]

No, it's not the only thing, but if Planetside is going to have some good lore. They need a good cinematic. It's a really great part of the game, and has definitely won me over on a lot of games I was thinking about trying. Halo and WoW both have great cinematic trailers.

It's not the only thing I look at when checking out a game, however, it can win me over. It can give you a very good impression of what the game feels like to play.

[Crator]

I don't like cinematic trailers. Use the in-game engine to make the trailer please...