Free to download? - Page 3

Raymac · 2011-12-23, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by ThGlump

Show me some game/company that won against hackers. Only way to limit hackers is to hurt their wallet.

Show me a police force that won against crime.

Even hurting their wallets won't get rid of them. It's impossible to completely eliminate all hackers, but it is possible with staff, technology, and a helpful community to limit hackers' impact. Right?

Rivenshield · 2011-12-23, 03:21 PM

How the flying mortal fuck can anyone think the *CLIENT* is going to be free? You think SOE is a goddam not-for-profit co-op that creates entertainment for love and lulz?

FREE TO PLAY is the same business model as, say, Guild Wars or any of the Battlefield series. You pay for the client. That's your sole initial cost, though they may dangle other goodies in front of your nose to cajole more cash out of you later on. FREE TO PLAY means it costs nothing to log on and, you know, fucking PLAY. It doesn't mean you still don't have to buy the goddam GAME, and purchasing the client it doesn't make it *NOT* FREE TO PLAY.

You whiney 20-something Occupy Wall Street retards. 'Wah, boohoo, if I don't get everything for free on a silver platter it's not fair'. Grow up.

Raymac · 2011-12-23, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rivenshield

How the flying mortal fuck can anyone think the *CLIENT* is going to be free? You think SOE is a goddam not-for-profit co-op that creates entertainment for love and lulz?

FREE TO PLAY is the same business model as, say, Guild Wars or any of the Battlefield series. You pay for the client. That's your sole initial cost, though they may dangle other goodies in front of your nose to cajole more cash out of you later on. FREE TO PLAY means it costs nothing to log on and, you know, fucking PLAY. It doesn't mean you still don't have to buy the goddam GAME, and purchasing the client it doesn't make it *NOT* FREE TO PLAY.

You whiney 20-something Occupy Wall Street retards. 'Wah, boohoo, if I don't get everything for free on a silver platter it's not fair'. Grow up.

DCUO?

Hobitt · 2011-12-23, 03:54 PM

The best thing against hackers is an active community

ThGlump · 2011-12-23, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Show me a police force that won against crime.

Even hurting their wallets won't get rid of them. It's impossible to completely eliminate all hackers, but it is possible with staff, technology, and a helpful community to limit hackers' impact. Right?

Yea but if you commit a crime and get caught, you go to jail, unless you have enough money (sadly).
In game terms - if you hack and get caught, you cant play, unless you buy another game.

Without initial purchase there is no consequence. If you catch someone who just murdered someone, you dont just tell him "you really should not do that" and let him go, so he can do that again. Thats f2p without any initial purchase.

And yes nothing can get rid of all hackers. But if they need to pay you reduce they numbers by 90%. Without consequence even those who normally dont hack will be tempted to try that.

ThGlump · 2011-12-23, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hobitt

The best thing against hackers is an active community

Hackers can kill community. Its really discouraging if you report some hackers, and 5 min later you have to report them again under slightly different names, and 5 min later again and again and again. Soon you say screw this and go find another game.

How can community win?

Rumblepit · 2011-12-23, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hobitt

The best thing against hackers is an active community

to be honest it dose help alot. but it wont put a dent in their population. THEY WILL JUST CREATE ANOTHER ACCOUNT.

LongBow · 2011-12-23, 04:14 PM

You can "hack" PS1 by having a multi-core processor, the game is just THAT old, code structure and networking have come a long way since planet sides release.

PS1 had hacking problems not because the game was free, but because the game was easy to gain interface with.

Hobitt · 2011-12-23, 04:28 PM

By active community i mean some sort of admins who can IP ban after a few IP bans i think a hacker would get bored

Nephilimuk · 2011-12-23, 04:39 PM

wait to see what happens when the game comes out. If it all goes wrong and it becomes hackagedon then vote with your feet. Nothing quite like that in numbers to get a companies attention. (Looking at how we are engaged with the Dev team at the moment then personally I don't have any concerns here)

Until the game is released its just more doomsday threads which have no substance and many replicas in one form or another on these boards.

Pointless if you ask me and bad for business if your all right, the developers are smart and will try to not allow that to happen on a large scale.

However you must expect a little hacking and it will happen as a new exploits are discovered then closed down.

Crator · 2011-12-23, 04:54 PM

If it gets out of hand they might have to put a restriction in like an entry fee. I'm hoping they find multiple avenues to defending the game against hackers, which I believe they will...

DC Universe Online is another SOE game that is completely free to play, without a box price... I don't really play that game so can't comment personally on if there is hacking there... Looks to be some exploits going on, which is not good news...

Reported speed-hacker exploit in 2010:

Mention of speed-hackers returning in 8/2011 due to patches:
DCUO: Speed Hackers Return!

Post by SOE team about hacking on 8/11/2011:

If you’re not playing by the rules, know that the fun you’ve had at the expense of our skilled players is coming to an end. We are in the process of actively and aggressively pursuing those you using third party software to cheat. We will track and find you, it’s only a matter of time. If you are casually trying out a “speedhack” or other cheat, I would strongly suggest you return to your regularly scheduled program now. There will be no future amnesty as we take the impact of this and its effects on our true players very seriously. If this is a way of life for you, I suggest you find another place to live.

Heroes and Villains of Metropolis and Gotham, you too can help us end this blight. As we grow our tools to track and end this, you can do your part of cleaning up the streets by reporting suspected cheaters, hackers and other miscreants using the procedure outlined below.

1. Go here: https://soe-ing.custhelp.com/app/ask/
2. Set Product to “DC Universe Online” or ““DC Universe Online PS3” , and the Category to “[DCUO] Community Standards”
3. Enter your Server (this should now be way easier!) and Character Name.
4. Enter the Subject as “Cheating”.
5. Enter as much information as you can in the Question field. In particular, location, player name, behavior witnessed. Be specific, saying someone is “cheating” or “speed hacking” is not as useful as reporting the specific actions they took that led you to this conclusion. There is no need to attach files. Please reference the “/Report” feature if you have used it to report the same incident.

It does work, but it’s not the only tool in our arsenal. Just know that we are listening, we are watching, and we are everywhere. Have a nice day.

-manderson and the DCUO team

Also, just to test, I made a dummy free account via the DCUO webpage and only info required was username and email address... So, if they are banning accounts in DCUO not sure how those people can't just create new ones....

Shogun · 2011-12-23, 05:01 PM

another problem with ps1 was, that it was never the flagship of soe.
at it´s time soe was also hosting swg and everquest and contributed most ressources to these two games!
but today i am confident that soe has noticed the potential of planetside 2 and they already showed that it is very high on their priority list now, if not on poleposition!
this time they will care for the game as it seems to be their last chance to conquer back the market.
so we will have hard working devs that actively fight hackers, instead of a monkey who doesn´t even get bananas. ;-)

SKYeXile · 2011-12-23, 05:19 PM

This indie game, advertised only on steam and amazon sold 600k copies, with a $12 purchase fee...planetside 2 advertised on steam? as F2p? will go off.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/22/du...om-600k-sales/

Raymac · 2011-12-23, 08:17 PM

If cheating was a major problem in DCUO since it went f2p, then you would probably see the forums blowing up like they did with Planetside Reserves like this: http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...id=88000016188

But I really don't see that on the DCUO forums and most of the "cheat / hacker" threads are before it went f2p.

Not saying that's a scientific analysis, but if it was a hugely gamebreaking problem, you'd expect to see more screaming like what we did.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-23, 08:34 PM

dcuo,,,, not many hacks out there to change gameplay that much anyway.

2 outcomes from f2p ps2,,,,, becomes very very popular and is making soe some good money. but with higher pops comes more hackers, well then they have to hire more people to combat hackers. but thats comin out of somebody pocket. and what happens next is the people making money off this game decide the reason for making this game was to make money, so who cares if we dont have enough admins to combat the hackers , they pay too, they will get banned at some point. no need to hire more people.hackers out number admins, hackers drive out legit players, hackers run the game into the ground.

or you end up with a somewhat popular fp2 game and you just have enough people to keep the game afloat, deal with the hackers using what staff you have, and hope and pray the game pays for itself before it tanks.

anybody on these forums play any f2p games ever?????????????
warrock , combat arms, cross fire,counter strike,apb????

the reason i ask, is that all these f2p fps games are ran by hackers. you can only play when the hackers allow it. they run these games,not the admins... what makes you think they are gonna let the almighty admins of soe run ps2????????????????