Nerf the NC MAX. - Page 3

Sturmhardt · 2013-02-05, 11:43 AM

The shield only lasts 4 seconds, dragonskin. Now stop talking about tanks if you want to talk about maxes.

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Dragonskin · 2013-02-05, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

The shield only lasts 4 seconds, dragonskin. Now stop talking about tanks if you want to talk about maxes.

.sent via phone.

4 seconds is enough to completely negate 1 shot. Since the vanguard only needs 3 shots to land to kill a magrider then that makes all the difference.

Like I said previously.. only agreeing with the OP because people can't use strengths and weaknesses properly in the game. So why can't we nerf more things that have clear counters to them because people are too lazy to figure out or use properly?

I am talking about maxes too. Are you not reading the rest of my posts? What does a VS max do that is unique or an advantage that the NC or TR can not do?

PurpleOtter · 2013-02-05, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

I am talking about maxes too. Are you not reading the rest of my posts? What does a VS max do that is unique or an advantage that the NC or TR can not do?

Causing the opposing factions to miss from uncontrollable laughter due to the VS MAX's waving their hands in the air like giant spastic purple Kermit the frogs!

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Sturmhardt · 2013-02-05, 12:35 PM

No, you confuse balancing with being overpowered. Being overpowered means that something is the best choice for nearly every situation. The Magrider was better or as good as the other tanks in MOST situations. There was no situation where you could say "Oh, now I can kill that Magrider easily!". Just no. It was ALWAYS dangerous and in a distance it was impossible to hit and it could climb every hill. I always fear the Magrider on all distances and I am not a too bad tank driver. The same goes for the Trac-5, it was just too good compared to what the other empires had.

The NC Max is only strong in certain (close range) situations, just like the VS and TR MAXs are strong on midrange. There is a difference between ALWAYS good and sometimes good, sometimes bad. That's what some of you don't seem to see.

If you say NC MAXes are OP you can also say shotguns are OP because they are better than assault rifles in CQC.

Edit: But I believe we will see some close range weapon for non NC MAXs in the future... it would be sad for the game, but SOE could make good money with it, so I guess they will sell it.

Edit²: Check out these 2 videos and say the NC MAX is overpowered:

It gets ripped apart by bots VS and TR MAXs at 10m.

Assist · 2013-02-05, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

No, you confuse balancing with being overpowered. Being overpowered means that something is the best choice for nearly every situation. The Magrider was better or as good as the other tanks in MOST situations. There was no situation where you could say "Oh, now I can kill that Magrider easily!". Just no. It was ALWAYS dangerous and in a distance it was impossible to hit and it could climb every hill. I always fear the Magrider on all distances and I am not a too bad tank driver. The same goes for the Trac-5, it was just too good compared to what the other empires had.

The NC Max is only strong in certain (close range) situations, just like the VS and TR MAXs are strong on midrange. There is a difference between ALWAYS good and sometimes good, sometimes bad. That's what some of you don't seem to see.

If you say NC MAXes are OP you can also say shotguns are OP because they are better than assault rifles in CQC.

Edit: But I believe we will see some close range weapon for non NC MAXs in the future... it would be sad for the game, but SOE could make good money with it, so I guess they will sell it.

Edit²: Check out these 2 videos and say the NC MAX is overpowered:
[Test] NC MAX vs. TR MAX Anti-infantry weaponry 11.01.13 - YouTube
[Test] NC MAX vs. VS MAX Anti-infantry weaponry 14.01.13 - YouTube

It gets ripped apart by bots VS and TR MAXs at 10m.

How about this, you give me your NC MAX and I'll give you my VS MAX. Since, you know they're balanced. Right?

No offense to you, but an NC player making a video of the NC MAX getting destroyed is like me making a montage of my Magrider blowing up. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

As once stated by the man himself; you have to see how the game plays out rather than just looking at the numbers in small instances. As the game plays out right now, NC MAX outperforms the TR/VS Max by quite a bit more than the Magrider outperformed the Vanguard/Prowler.

psijaka · 2013-02-05, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

As once stated by the man himself; you have to see how the game plays out rather than just looking at the numbers in small instances. As the game plays out right now, NC MAX outperforms the TR/VS Max by quite a bit more than the Magrider outperformed the Vanguard/Prowler.

So you think that you are in a better position to see how the game plays out than SoE, who have access to a huge amount of data on MBT, MAX performance?

Assist · 2013-02-05, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by psijaka

So you think that you are in a better position to see how the game plays out than SoE, who have access to a huge amount of data on MBT, MAX performance?

When did they give out the numbers on MAX performance?

psijaka · 2013-02-05, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

When did they give out the numbers on MAX performance?

Whoever said that they gave them out?

Originally Posted by HiroshiChugi

did ANYONE see the fucking post i put? It puts Assist's argument to rest. case in point.

I did and I agree; it does.

psijaka · 2013-02-05, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

How about this, you give me your NC MAX and I'll give you my VS MAX. Since, you know they're balanced. Right?

No offense to you, but an NC player making a video of the NC MAX getting destroyed is like me making a montage of my Magrider blowing up. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

As once stated by the man himself; you have to see how the game plays out rather than just looking at the numbers in small instances. As the game plays out right now, NC MAX outperforms the TR/VS Max by quite a bit more than the Magrider outperformed the Vanguard/Prowler.

I would take you up on that swap for general AI work. But I'll keep my Dual Falcons for AV work, thanks.

No offence to you, but a VS player making a post that the NC MAX is OP is hardly likely to be objective is it. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

Do you have proof that the NC MAX outperforms the VS MAX at anything other than very close range? Or is this thread based upon nothing more than hyperbole?

Dragonskin · 2013-02-05, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by psijaka

I would take you up on that swap for general AI work. But I'll keep my Dual Falcons for AV work, thanks.

No offence to you, but a VS player making a post that the NC MAX is OP is hardly likely to be objective is it. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

Do you have proof that the NC MAX outperforms the VS MAX at anything other than very close range? Or is this thread based upon nothing more than hyperbole?

This thread actually isn't about the NC MAX needing a justification for a nerf. It's about people calling for nerfs just because they can.

Maybe Maradine's thread was needed.

SGOniell · 2013-02-11, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

T I don't want to hear arguments

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

This thread actually isn't about the NC MAX needing a justification for a nerf. It's about people calling for nerfs just because they can.

Apologies assist, I misread the author of the one regarding justification. But, nevertheless, you did say you don't want to hear arguments.

Sturmhardt · 2013-02-05, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

No offense to you, but an NC player making a video of the NC MAX getting destroyed is like me making a montage of my Magrider blowing up. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

I don't know the guy who made the videos. I only know that his setup is good and is a perfect experiment to test how OP a MAX really is. Why do you think it's not credible? I'm interested in facts here.

I post them again in case someone reads this and doesn't know what we are talking about:
Vid1
Vid2

P.S. I would love to try your vanu MAX! I don't know how I would like it in the long run, but I would like to give it a try.

edit: lol, thanks psijaka, exactly my thoughts:

Originally Posted by psijaka

No offence to you, but a VS player making a post that the NC MAX is OP is hardly likely to be objective is it. What does it mean in the end? Nothing.

Do you have proof that the NC MAX outperforms the VS MAX at anything other than very close range? Or is this thread based upon nothing more than hyperbole?